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Wow....I really did like the new Fusion Sport but what has happened to Ford?
https://youtu.be/2AbtTgH5s88

Seriously, leaking at the engine and at the rear diff. What a nightmare! I hope it was just a sloppily put-together press car but man, that shouldn't happen on a new car. My Honda from 2008 doesn't drip a drop l, my TBird drips from the rear main seal a few drops a week (but that's common) but nowhere else.... What's happened with build quality?!?!
 

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Yeah, but I thought oil leaks and fluid leaks in general were now a thing of the past. My 2005 Saturn (86k miles) didn't leak and it wasn't even a question that came to the buyers mind, same with my dad's 2006 Sequoia (120k miles) and my 2008 Honda Fit (180k miles)

But seeing this is just disheartening...we were thinking of buying a CMax Hybrid or a Focus or something as another daily driver but wow...
 

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The higher tech they go e.g. complexity materials the further they venture from tried and true, which is mostly where cars were at by the 2000s. When all the blogs tout the greatness of modern cars, they are in reality touting the greatness of the current fleet, and a good chunk of the current fleet are older, by a decade, or decades in some cases. Now that mass produced *to a cost* turbochargers, AWD systems and whatnot are becoming commonplace in very regular cars, you're going to see more of the problems more associated with performance models of yesterday(like say the Thunderbird SC) in the general fleet. Lesson is, simple always means better if you demand reliabile quality. E.g. naturally asiprated two wheel drive.
 

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^ this - which is why the last car I bought new was in 2005 and it was the lowest model they made (Toyota Sienna). No power doors, no fancy crap, just a V6 and some wheels. Many of my friends are having problems with all the bells and whistle crap. My 94 SC and 94 LX are in great shape. Sure I work on them but it's fun. I seriously wonder how people are going to keep their cars on the road when the plastic valve covers and intakes begin to age.
 

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Plastic valve covers and intakes don't bug me. The valve covers only really encounter oil vapor windage, and really don't seem to fail, certainly not on the 4.6 2Vs at least(which were plastic from inception in 91), or any other 90s era Fords with them(vulcan, later 3.8s, duratecs)I can think of. Intakes aren't really a problem either at the heart of it and the lack of heat soak is a good benefit in addition to the weight saved, the problem is when the companies cheap out and flow hot coolant through them for one piece integration rather than a separate isolated crossover. GM LSx engines have had isolated plastic intakes forever, and the only things that break them are nitrous backfires, 96+ 4.6 2Vs on the other hand with their neatly integrated coolant crossover and thermostat housing? Yeah, Ford lost that lawsuit and deserved it. I am very uncomfortable of the concept of plastic oil pans for that reason, at best they save 7 or 8 lbs tops, and when it fails from years of having a pool of hot oil sitting in it the engine is simply going to grenade when it pops. I mean they couldn't have found a less critical part to get that weight out of? A Fusion platinum weighs 3913lbs for god's sake(it amazes me people still think MN12s are heavy), there has to be something!
 

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Plastic valve covers and intakes don't bug me. The valve covers only really encounter oil vapor windage, and really don't seem to fail, certainly not on the 4.6 2Vs at least(which were plastic from inception in 91), or any other 90s era Fords with them(vulcan, later 3.8s, duratecs)I can think of. Intakes aren't really a problem either at the heart of it and the lack of heat soak is a good benefit in addition to the weight saved, the problem is when the companies cheap out and flow hot coolant through them for one piece integration rather than a separate isolated crossover. GM LSx engines have had isolated plastic intakes forever, and the only things that break them are nitrous backfires, 96+ 4.6 2Vs on the other hand with their neatly integrated coolant crossover and thermostat housing? Yeah, Ford lost that lawsuit and deserved it. I am very uncomfortable of the concept of plastic oil pans for that reason, at best they save 7 or 8 lbs tops, and when it fails from years of having a pool of hot oil sitting in it the engine is simply going to grenade when it pops. I mean they couldn't have found a less critical part to get that weight out of? A Fusion platinum weighs 3913lbs for god's sake(it amazes me people still think MN12s are heavy), there has to be something!
With the oil pan being on the bottom of the motor, and there being some likelihood of debris hitting it at some point (I did notice the big shield under the motor/transmission though) is the main reason I'd want the oil pan to be steel instead of plastic. The heat of the oil doesn't concern me so much, the plastic will allow it to cool quickly, and should be made of a material that can handle hot/cold cycles. I agree that the weight loss is inconsequential of a plastic pan vs a steel one, and I'm willing to bet that was the primary reason for it's inclusion.

I find it disturbing that the Fusion weighs nearly the same as my 2002 Crown Victoria did.
 

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The weight is from a butt load of safety features, options, sound deadening materials, the AWD system, etc
 
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