Did the 1994 Ford 3.8l engine EVER come with NON- EEC-IV?
Excellent, thank you Mike for the update.They were all EEC-IV, but the 94/95 3.8 MN12s with Cali emissions got a DIS setup, and the ones with federal emissions still had a distributor. The 3.8 went to EEC-V in 96, and those were only available with DIS, no more distributor.
That was February of last year. I sent my first email about the issue on Feb 3rd and the refund was issued on the 6th. The guy's name was Ralph.Wow. Thanks for sharing that. That gives me the ammo to fight with when it comes down to it.
How long ago was that JC?
This was the point I was trying to make with them. I even scanned my Ford service manuals to show there was a distributor in 94 and none in 96. After I sent those scans along with a picture of the emissions sticker from the rad support, this was the response:They were all EEC-IV, but the 94/95 3.8 MN12s with Cali emissions got a DIS setup, and the ones with federal emissions still had a distributor. The 3.8 went to EEC-V in 96, and those were only available with DIS, no more distributor.
They still list "exc Calif" parts for the 96 and 97 models.We looked further into this and, candidly, we're a bit mystified about both the information in the service manual and the data Ford is providing - both to the aftermarket manufacturers and to their own dealer network.
1996 would have been the first year of OBD-II emission standards, so it would have been logical for Ford to have gone to a distributorless ignition system in all vehicles. At first, I though that might have been the case. But we located a discontinued Ford part number E8DZ12127A listed by Ford dealers as the distributor for the non-supercharged Thunderbird 3.8 for 1996 - though it's discontinued. That is consistent with the data that we have for the part ordered, as well as those of other manufacturers we list online, including Airtex and Bosch.
Our best guess is that there was some Ford federal emissions production in the early part of the 1996 model year that used a distributor, and that they changed over to DIS only when the OBD-II standards technically became effective, at the beginning of the calendar year. (That's only a guess.)
Either way, though, it would have helped if we'd made the application information on the plug wires more clear, and we don't want to put you to further inconvenience and expense over these - so we're just going to issue a refund for them, and for their share of the shipping charges on the order. You will not need to return them. Once you receive confirmation from us in your email that the refund has been processed to the VISA card used on the order, you can simply dispose of the wires.
Correct. And from now on, I will DOUBLE check from now on. How sad.They should get it right ... but they don't always.
I have seen errors in RockAuto listings in the past, especially for limited interest cars. I have made it a habit to independently verify the exact part numbers whenever possible, before I order anything from them.
Amazon gets stuff wrong too, I am sure.
Exactly Mike.I don't understand where the eec IV hangup is. Literally every ford from the mid-80's until OBD2 was eec-IV. OBD2 coincided with the eec-v computers. There simply did not exist any 3.8 powered 94/95 tbird or cougar that did not have an eec-IV processor.
Good info! Thanks for mentioning Advance Auto. I will look into them as well next time.I always compare Rockauto versus Advance Auto. Advance has some good coupon codes for online purchases, and their speedperks program is a 'stackable' discount. I've gotten a lot of stuff cheaper than Rockauto this way.