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So, I am posting for the last time on this forum (not that I EVER really posted but I read lots...).

Since I was 18 I have owned: an '89 T-Bird (232, Base), a '92 Cougar (302, LS), and my current '96 T-bird (281, LX). I love the mn-12. And I hate them with a passion that only comes out when I have to fix them. I love the platform and the IRS and the V8 (aside from my '89). I love the room. You all know the reasons for loving these cars. That is why this site exists.

But I just cant take it anymore. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE CARS HAS HAD PROBLEMS. I know, "You've just had bad luck". No I have just seen what happens when these cars hit: 111Kmiles 140k miles 155k miles. THey get old and die (without MAJOR overhaul) and this is the way of the MN-12. They have passed. I can not afford the nickel and hundred-dollering anymore.

I am a Blue Oval fan. I have respect for the bow-ties and mopar, but I wil love Ford to my dying day. I decided it was time to renew my love with Ford and find a new car. Only to my Gross dissapointment. The ONLY cars that appealed to me were the Lincoln LSE, the Mercury Marauder, and the Crown Vic Sport. I am just out of college with a nice sales job and low rent but thse cars are out of my price range. I will not buy used again because I hate working on cars. I love looking at them (engine and body). I love driving them. But NOT fixing them. So I need a new car with a nice warranty.

Thus this has brought me to my sad conclusion. I am going to buy a VW. A Jetta GL 1.8t to be exact. After much searching and lamenting this is what I have settled on. In about a week I will no longer be an MN-12 owner. I have been one for five years and now no longer. It is a sad time for me (As sappy as that may sound). I really loved those MN-12s. So while it is a relief to be rid of my ailing car it is disheartening as well. This a great Club and Forum. Keep Up the good work. Keep those MN-12s runnin'. I will always smile when I see one thats "Not quite stock...". Thanks for listening to my lament. I wish you all well.

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That's too bad....why not go with a V8 mustang? You can get a 99+ with low milage, and a warrenty, and those are pretty nice cars, they're fast & all. And you've got a 96! The best year IMO ;) What's wrong with it to make you want to get rid of it? (if you say heatercore, I understand) :)
 

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:beek: Is the bird payed off? If it is then why get rid of it? Just fix it at your leisure.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT TRADE THE BIRD IN!!!!!!! Believe me you will: :bangwall: everytime you see one in the future.
 

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In the last 6 months on the '96:

Shocks: $300 (parts and labor couldn't do it myself)

Waterpump: $35, 2 hours and one broken thumbnail (it turned black and fell off)

1-2 and 2-3 Accumulators: $30, 5 hours and a bump on the head

Brake Rotors, Shims, Pads, reground drums, shoes: $250, a whole weekend, and lungs full of brake dust.

Rack & Pinion Steering Unit: $1000 (parts and labor couldn't do it myself)

Crankseal Leak: I still have it. I'm not going to fix it. It's the last straw...

To answer the Stang question: Only 3yr 36k Mi warranty on stang (4 yr 50k warranty on Jetta). Costs more new. Used has usually on 10k left on warranty. Most important: IT'S JUST ANOTHER MUSTANG. If I'm gonna drive a common car I might as well get good gas mileage... :D
 

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dude, a jetta? wow id at least get a escort of something like that then a jetta. and you call that alot of money to spend on car repairs? try this

3 tranny rebuilds in 2 years - 3000$
new eec, feul injectors, maf - 1400$
a/c fixed wrong at ford twice - 2500$
a/c finally fixed right by me - 300$
not to mention things in the maintenance
shocks/struts, tires, brakes, cross drilled/slotted rotors,
many oil changes, tune ups, etc.

and not to mention i now need to do my front suspension it makes lots
of noise and is like driving in the ocean, i need new brakes, either my new high
performance rotors are warped, or i need new shoes/drum in the back.
but id say that if i didnt drive this car the way i did itd prolly be just as trouble free as the day i got it. i keep thinking its the ghetto stang and drive it like it is, and its not. i dont know how you drove your tbird, but if its any like me, dont drive the jetta like that, it will fall apart around you. oh yeah, and buy a good set of every metric socket and wrench size there is. you will need it, when it comes time to change even the easiest thing on your car.
 

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That's a good point...I drove my thunderbird hard...never really had problems...I drive my focus...well...harder, and it has 62K on it and acts like a car with 150K on it...mostly my fault, but I bet an MN12 would've stood up to the punishment a lot better...do what you want but if I where you I wouldnt buy a crapbox small car.

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Thats life man....wait till something not covered breaks on the VW. Spendy spendy.
No Not Spendy. UNDER WARRANTY. 4yr 50mi Bumper to Bumper. Free oil changes and I only have to buy new tires an brake pads If I need them (Yes, warped rotors are covered).

I don't need a good metric set (BTW there are PLENTY of metric parts on my '96 T-Bird) becuase when I am done with the Jetta in two years (yeah It will get 50k miles in two years) I will get another new, and under warranty car. It may be crapbox but the insurance is less per month than a focus.

Focus = Gutless and ugly. Good Warranty Though.
Escort = The same with not as good a warranty.

As for Thomas: Damn. That's a whole lot of cash man. I couldn't afford that. I aslo couldn't ever call my car reliable if I had to do that do it.
 

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Don't kid yourself man, New cars break too. And not everything is covered. And what do you do when the warrenty runs out?

You are going to pay through the nose for insurance on a new car, payments will be rediculous, and you will NOT be ahead for buying new.

Jetta's are nice cars, but they are just like every other car - they break.

2-3 year old cars are the best: They have depreciated to almost 1/2 of new value, and they're still in tip-top shape - with partial warrenty left.

Unless you're made of money (and if you're griping about the cost of fixing an MN12 you aren't), don't get into the new car thing.
 

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Seriously...new cars arent worth it. Chances are you'll be upside down on the loan in a year or two...and guess what, your stuck with that car unless you want to loose a lot of money for nothing....my next car will either be an MN12 t-bird or a 99+ used mustang...lower insurance then new, lower payments, paid off faster, probably wont be upside down...and what's the advantage of new? you know everything about the car? yeah that's kinda nice but not a justifiable reason for me. I will only buy another brand new car again when I'm older and plan on keeping it forever...that wasnt the plan on the focus and now I have it for the next three years...oh well.
 

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I'm sure you've done a lot of research on new cars and you've picked the Jetta- why? My research shows the Jetta at much worse than average reliability and on the used car to avoid list. I say to each his own, but if it were my money, it wouldn't be a freakin VW. Don't kid yourself man, if you plan on putting 50K on that car in 2 years you are gonna end up oweing a lot more than it's worth at trade-in time. If you don't believe me, ask someone in the business ( I am in the business and would never buy a NEW car). One of the worst things a young person could do financially is buy a new car. I'm not saying that buying a MN12 is a wise choice either. You could do better, say maybe a 2-3 yr certified used car with an extended warranty that somebody already has lost their *** on.
 

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Yeah, what he said :D I bought my first new car at 19....not smart, should have bought used, would have still built good credit, and it wouldnt have taken as long as this is taking.
 

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Hey, don't get the idea we're picking on ya - we have your intrest at heart :)!

Case in point:

I'm a young guy too, with eyes bigger than my wallet. I like nice, fancy, new cars - the same as everybody else.

When I needed a replacement for my beater, I wanted something nice, fancy, and new.

You know I have a Lincoln LS for my daily driver. Have you priced them out new? $60k Cdn. is the cheapest a V8 is. I paid $20k Cdn. for a 3 year old one with about 60k miles on it. Some guy paid $40k to drive it 3 years :eek:!

Depreciation will bite you in the *** on a new car. Think long term!

Good luck with whatever car you get though :).
 

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Ive always heard good things about the VWs. They quick considering their gimpy engines and they run a long time before they have problems, of course this is only what i heard by way of mouth. I have not factual evidence to back myself with.

Its a shame you must get rid of your bird, but if you dont like working on cars then its probly for the best. They are great cars but really are just project cars once they get old. They arent like porsches where you can beat on them for 200K+ miles and they still run like they just came off the assembly line. Sorry to see you go man.

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Hey man, if I had 3 bad experiences with Tbird's, I'd get something different too. I think a 1.8T Golf is a great choice. My buddy just picked up a 1.8T GTI with some anniversary package...it's beautiful: 18" wheels, 6spd, Recaro's, etc. Good luck.
 

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A 20th anniversary GTI is one sweet *** looking car :) To bad there's just so few made :( there's like only 500-750 in canada and only like 100 made it to BC (where i live)

BUt yah personally Even thou i own a lowly 5.0L Cougar ('91) I've been thinking of trading it in/selling it for a VW jetta or GTI they have some decent looks, proforamnce (if you get the 1.8T or VR6 :) ) Also they'll be ****** lot cheaper for me to work on and Modifiy then my cougar, or any MN12 will be..

and now i went for a ride in a 300Z TT .. I'm liking that too :)
 

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You will be back when you open that hood and say, $hit were are my other cylinders?? But hey, its just the way life goes. I hope to see you back on the boards one day, and I wish you the best of luck.


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You need to do a little research on the golf/Jetta regarding oil usage. My sisterinlaws car uses 3 quarts every 3000 and VW is saying that is considered within spec :eek:

My wife and I also owned a golf TDI and while I loved everything about the car it had too many stupid things break that VW refused to stand behind. The window track on the drivers door broke and the window just dropped into the door....this of course happened just outside the 20K bumper to bumper. I won't even get into the rear seatbelts that would lock after lowering the back seat preventing you from puting them back up. The dealer replaced the belt system numerous times but it never was right. Anyways they are fun cars to drive and like all German machinery will last a long time but require more maintenance than most. If you need cheap transport....put gas in it and drive....get a little rice box (honda, toyota) or go the focus route a VW is not your car
 
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