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I agree with that, but there's a lot of places that twisty roads are few and far between as well, depending on region. Here for the most part the twistiest roads are in suburban subdivisions where spirited driving is downright reckless unless some sort of zombie apocalypse gets those pesky kids out of the way :tongue: That largely just leaves highway and boulevards for spirited driving and that means mashing the go pedal and rowing through the gears.
^^ What he said. :)

The most lateral Gs I get to see on any given day come from accelerating through a turn onto another street. Although I did take the Bird with me to SE Ohio last summer where there are lots of twisties, and that was fun...
 

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I figured this site would be more accepting because of the turbo coupe. Don't get me wrong. I'd rather have the v8. I just though the 4 banger was cool. I can say though, I really don't quit understand the I4 hate. The miata is one of the most raced cars in the world. And dang good at it too. As well as the Honda S2000, and if you want to consider flat 4's then the you can't deny the achievements of the Subarus and the new brz's and frs's. These cars pull numbers that mustangs don't pull on the track. Not drag strip always. However I believe that all new cars are overpriced.
The question was if we were excited about it, in which I'd say should be an unsurprising no. We're not a Mustang site and our cars have had IRS since 89, so big whoop if the Mustang got it in 2014. I think the Ecobboost 4 would be a *****in engine swap in a TurboCoupe, or better yet a 84-86 XR-7:D, so I'm not hating on it either, just that I personally have zero interest in it.
 

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The question was if we were excited about it, in which I'd say should be an unsurprising no. We're not a Mustang site and our cars have had IRS since 89, so big whoop if the Mustang got it in 2014. I think the Ecobboost 4 would be a *****in engine swap in a TurboCoupe, or better yet a 84-86 XR-7:D, so I'm not hating on it either, just that I personally have zero interest in it.
Point taken. I'm not butt hurt. I was just surprised. I like all cars, so I'm not brand loyal or displacement/number of cylinders loyal. I like it all. I've been into old Ford trucks to Hondas, to go karts. And yes we all love Thunderbirds, but (*putting on flame retardant suit*) I've always kinda compared Thunderbirds to Mustangs. Or put them on a similar level.

Oh and as far as handling over power. Well I live in east Tennessee, where it's all curvy roads and ridges. I live 30 minutes from the dragon, so....I like handling little cars. I can say I'm impressed with the Thunderbird handling. I had a 95 mustang I wouldn't drive as hard on curves.
 

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Don't get me wrong on that either, I'm a huge fan of slow as molasses 70s Diesel Mercedes Benzes, old GTI/GLI VWs, 911s, ect. There's all sorts of non V8 RWD stuff I like, so long as the cars have identity. I just like models to stay segregated and not try to please everyone, which is what the whole of the automotive industry has been trending towards lately. I wasn't even thrilled to hear the Mustang was getting standard IRS , the SRA was part of the charm.
 

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http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1405-2015-ford-mustang-2-3-ecoboost-first-ride/

It's funny that Ford still hasn't released any power numbers for the 2015 Mustang lineup yet... That article says it's a twin scroll turbo on that 2.3L. That likely means fast spool-up.. so the full boost torque hit will come on pretty quick, and low in the RPM range. All of this doesn't help its ugliness, though.

I don't know whether to believe the part of the article where it says there'll be brake line lock functionality to come on the manual shift car - sounds fishy.

All that said.. I'll keep my Turbo Coupe.
 

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If its anything like the 2.0T in the Cadillac ATS, I'd pass. While the 2.0T makes ok power and the relatively light car moves reasonably well with it, it sounds like garbage and overall is too 'ricey' for me. I much prefer the 3.6DI v6 in my CTS - it sounds pretty mean and skits rather well when you get on it for the relatively small v6 that it is in the rather heavy car that the CTS is. My CTS is actually quite a bit faster than my Cougar - at least for now.
 

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My sister had a 4-cylinder 4-eyed Mustang. The car itself was nice, except for the fact it ate a timing chain. It was a total slug on the road.

I believe the EPA regulations had more to do with the low horsepower ratings back then. Porsche 911s that came to the U.S. could have 30-50 horses less than their European brethren back then.

How many people can think of a 4-cylinder Mustang without having 80s flashbacks?



Now, an English Ford Escort with a Cosworth 4-banger is a different matter, though.
 

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I think its awesome. Smaller displacement is the future. If that means that the manufacturer is hitting its Total fleet mileage requirements, that is a good thing. A turbo 4 cylinder sportscar is NOT a bad thing, just another option and its here to stay. Remember, the same company offering this car also has a plug in Fusion AND a little known pickup called the Raptor.

Look at it this way......a fast spooling 4 cylinder Mustang? Ford also has a small displacement v6 with a pair of turbos in a 5200lb pickup and if you thing its not going to sell, it accounts for about 40% of its sales. BTW, if anyone wants to prove that it sucks, tell me what day you want to go to the dragstrip.

Ill finish with this, i drove my Tbird from 98-2012, its been a member on the old BBS system and have been here a long time. Ive taken my car apart, did all the cool mods, put 22 track passes on it. But, times change, the tech improves, more power can be made with less and retain awesome mileage. My 'bird got 18mpg in town, my current in town trip average is 17.3mpg. And i have air conditioned seats!
 

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I own a 1984 and a 1986 SVO, and they are miles above the mid 80's NA 2.3 fours. Both my Mustangs are basically stock, so the horsepower range is somewhere in the range of 175 to 210, but I know of more than a few that are making 300 or better. That's with mods to intake, exhaust, ECUs, etc. with stock internals. There are lots of differences to the ecoboost 2.3, but as for the Lima engine, they are bulletproof. Check out Jon Huber's 79 Mustang Ghia. Granted, it is a highly modified built turbocharged 2.5 but he's making over 900 hp and running the quarter mile in the high 8 seconds. That's pretty damned good for an all steel street legal Mustang. As far as the sound, both my cars have 3" downpipes going into 2.25" dual exhausts one with plain old cheap glasspacks and one with Flowmasters and neither sounds "ricey." As for me, I'm looking farward to checking the new ecoboost Mustang out. I just hope it lives up to my expectations.
 

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The look of the 2015 is growing on me. I know that in the past the cobra had an IRS, but the big deal is that you get one standard on every mustang, no more solid axle. I like that, and there's always the debate about heritage (live axle) vs. the new style (independent) but the car has been around for 50 years, and it needs things like this and the Ecoboost to stay current and updated, especially to increase buyer interest overseas. And if you don't want an inline 4, the V6 is still available and for less $
 

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Well the last solid axle models could hold their own with the best of them in the handling department, the only tradeoff obviously being ride quality(which, it's a Mustang, who cares about refinement?). I think Europe won't appreciate it as much as Ford thinks they will, they don't necessarily want a Mustang that drives like everything else they already can get.

As far as the advance of technology it's all compensation for the fact that all new cars and trucks including the Mustang have become lardasses. :)
 

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I'm actually looking forward to these. I'm not gonna buy one. The Orginal SVO Mustangs were a HUGE step for Ford and a big risk. Generally they were well received and praised for their handling. To best of my knowledge these were the first production product from SVO/SVT.

I was there when they were testing the SVO prototypes at Nelsons Ledges at the 24 hours of Nelsons along with the EXP Turbos - remember those ;) the SVO Mules were running the aluminum "artillery" wheels off the LSC's. And both cars were eating front wheel bearings like candy. I think they had three or four SVOs entered. After they exhausted their stock of wheel bearings of wheel bearings they started pulling them off the support vehicles they drove down from Dearborn sitting in the paddock. There was probably 10 mustangs and EXPs sitting on jack stands out there stripped to the spindles ;) This was the same month the spy photos started showing up of the SVO Mustang. So it was kinda neat knowing you were seeing something that no one had really seen yet. I think one SVO Mustang DNF'd and the other two or three made it to the finish line.

The nice thing about the Ecoboost 4 is.... You don't have to buy it! All the other options are still there. I would actually like to see them do a SVO type edition geared towards club racers that was stripped and put on a diet.
 
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