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Ok, what if I want to swap in a PI motor in a 96/97 and I want to get the trans too. The explorer would be out because of the 5speed auto, so it would have to be 01 or newer vicci/grand marque or mustang, correct? Is there any advantage to the GT motor (99/04) compaired to the vicci motor? What about the trans attached. Does the GT have a better 4R70W, or is it the same as a vicci?

If I'm going to swap something in, I would want to do both at once and get them from the same car.

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I seem to remember that at some point the crown vics started getting the aluminum block too, so if that is the case, getting an engine out of one of those would give you the same aluminum block as the explorer motor. I'm just not 100% sure if they actually came with the aluminum motor or not though, so you might want to do a little research on that.
 

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u can still get an explorer motor thats what the majority of the people here were putting in their birds for the swap and whatever mustang and vic tranny if buying the same year are pretty much identical i believe.
 

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Get 03+ exploder engine or 01+ Mountaineer (right?) and get an 01+ GT Tranny and you'll be good to go..
I have 03 exploder with stock trans, still...
 

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explorer or mountaineer 02+
 

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Is everyone only pushing me toward the 02+ ex/mo motor because it is aluminum? I rather just get everything at once. What is the weight difference? 100lbs?
So do the vicci and grand marque motors have lower lift cams or anything like that or is it all in the tune? I think if I do this, I will find a 01+ grand marque and get the motor and trans all at once.
 

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all the spec between the cv/gm and the explorer is the same other than the explorer motor is aluminium block which save about 85-90 lbs. over iron block.
 

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For 90 lbs, for a quick(er) swap, I would just get a +01 vicci/GM or 99+GT motor and trans. Keep everything together and drop er in.

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any postivie thoughts on using the 5.4 2005 Lincoln navigator motor...my understanding is it has the same aluminum block as the Mountaineer plus the benifit of the new 3-valve heads. My memory is that the only difference betwen the 5.4 and 4.6 is the stroke by a combination of crank and rods, correct?:confused:
 

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For 90 lbs, for a quick(er) swap, I would just get a +01 vicci/GM or 99+GT motor and trans. Keep everything together and drop er in.

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Austin
several things wrong with that statement

99-00 stang engines are not direct drop.. they are windsors and requires some modification to the block and mounts

the CV/GM trans may have the longer output shaft which does not work w/ your driveshaft...they also have diff fuel rails and the intake points the wrong way
 

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I guess I should clarify that I meant the heads were the same while the block is different. I hate writing replies whern I'm tired. The other thing I was wondering about was the 3 valve piston requirment.
 

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cv non p71 version and all gm have the short tailshaft so it is useable. only stay away from p71 cv and lincoln towncar and you'll be fine.
 
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