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Why does this sound suspicious?
 

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so basically, since you can't prove what you're selling, you are going to have it tested with the buyer's money, and if it puts out stock amperage or even less, then thats what the buyer gets even though he paid $379 just because you put in that disclaimer?....do you know how ridiculous that sounds??.....seriously doubt anyone is gonna buy it
 

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ok, let me explain this, since after re-reading the ad i admit it does sound a little harsh, which was not my intention.

I just had an incident with another guy locally who I sold something to(not car related) and due to an issue that was neither my fault or his, I had to give him his money back. I already put the money on my credit card, which really hurt me financially and was something that could have been avoided.

The alternator is an Iraggi alt, the reason I state the above claims is because there have been a lot of people who have reportedly tested his alternators and they have not come up to the correct numbers. These people also only tested them either at a local parts store that do not have the capability to test HO alts properly or they just clamped it and turned on all their accessories, which as we SHOULD all know will result in erroneous numbers....the alt is only going to produce what is being used.

not one single person has had an Iraggi tested on a microVAT with the proper current measuring abilities. this alternator will NOT produce stock output numbers this I am certain of. I would even go so far as to say it will NOT put out less than 200a. considering the cost of alternators, even 200a, $379 is a good price. I've priced a few, and what i've seen, 200a alts aren't usually that cheap, and the ones that have been, have truly been crap and either putting out stock numbers or just a universal piece of junk that has crapped out on those who have bought them.

that's why I'm not going to give a refund should the output vary from the advertised numbers. it WILL produce a high output. I'm selling it as it was advertised. at least in this case I'm going to provide the buyer with a copy of the output report.

weather or not anyone buys it doesn't change the fact that I'm under obligation to provide a proper test as per the terms of my receiving my promotional AD244.

I could simply leave that out sell it, and just keep coming up with excuses why it wasn't shipped yet until it's returned to me and is shipped to the buyer OR I could inform the buyer and give them all the facts as well as the actual numbers, which in ANY case is always good to know so your electrical system doesn't get overloaded.

I will re-word the ad later to at least sound more friendly, but it will remain with the same facts, terms and conditions.

I promise I'm not trying to rip someone off, it does me no good at all to do something like that. I just can't afford to give someone that much money back and deal with crap like that because of a minor variance in advertised numbers (uhhh, how many gigs is a 200GB HD actually??) the bottom line is, this IS a HO alternator, it will NOT produce less than 200a, and the price is still fair even for that rating.
 

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If your serious, have it tested yourself, show the results and recoup the testing costs in the sales price. No one is gonna pay for you to test it and then own it even if the results are crap.
 

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So... What is the price/cost of having it tested? I don't believe I read that anywhere? All I saw is paying for full price.
 

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testing is free, the company even pays shipping to receive it, it's the return shipping cost back to me, through UPS, works out to about $90 CAD.

if someone does buy it, and lives in the US, then it would be cheaper because I could pay the shipping from the testing company to the US address which would be less than about $40 I believe.

I'm looking into alternatives so people don't think I'm trying to screw someone over here.

the cost of the alt was $379 new,(used actually, which is why it was sent back initially, and returned with a NEW one) I paid the cost of shipping for that which was $40 to receive again, so all I want out of this alt is the retail price of it.

as mentioned, even if it comes back as 200a, $379 I think is still a fair price. I'm in a hell of a bind because I'm required to post numbers, but can't afford it until I can sell it. Catch 22.....

also, i'd like to add, if i get it tested first, and try to recoup the loss by selling it, it puts me in a tough situation because first of all, I have to spend $90 that I simply cannot afford, and it could be a long time before someone buys it, so I've put myself back in the hole I've gradually worked my way out of.

I'm not at all concerned that a test will reveal it to produce stock numbers, if that were actually the case I would refund the money and get my money back from Iraggi, it's that easy. my biggest concern is a difference of 20-40 amps, and having someone ***** up and down about it.

I've even stated how the high output is achieved, by a delta wind of the stator. Probably a couple other factors I'm not aware of, but that is a known.
 

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why not just use it yourself? i would love to have that piece for my system as I 'm draggin tons of current right now, somewhere close to 340 amps. wish I could take it but this does not make any sense as to why you do not use it yourself???? Did i miss something in your post?
 

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yes you did, the promotional alt I received from another company.

I've got a 275a Delco AD244 to be installed. This will just end up sitting around, and when I install the Delco, I can get a HO kit for my old 3g, clean it up, rebuild it, and sell it too.

I've technically got 3 alts here.
 

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my internet is way cheaper than the cost of the shipping. I can't argue what you say, but there is a big difference in cost.
 

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shipping an alt is not a fortune, more along the lines of $20 or so USD.

Are you really that poor?
 

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shipping an alt is not a fortune, more along the lines of $20 or so USD.

Are you really that poor?

exactly...if the cost of your internet (bigjohnny's) is cheaper than shipping, then give up your household internet for a couple months to have it tested/shipped/whatever, and communicate from a public library internet terminal.....internet is free there

sorry if you think i'm being harsh, but I once bought a maf for $80 from a person here that many trust, and when i proved to him that the maf he sold me wasn't the maf he said it was, what I initially got from him was "oh, well now that I know its not what I said it was, I dont need it anymore, so i'll give you $35 back and you keep it"......your disclaimer seems to run along those lines to protect yourself from losing out all that much should it be not what it is claimed to be
 

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if you can afford internet (after all, its a luxury not a necessity), you can afford to test it, period
Wow!! I don't know; I think I'd be more than a little upset with someone I've probably never even met telling me what I can and can't afford!

Just my opinion...

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shipping an alt is not a fortune, more along the lines of $20 or so USD.

Are you really that poor?
I explained this already, to have it shipped to my CANADIAN postal code, costs $40 USD, through UPS.

Now, convert that to Canadian and it's about $53. UPS is the WORST place to ship with IMO, because that $53 only covers shipping to the border. once it cross the border more shippign charges apply, their "brokerage" fees.

so the alt arrives at my door, and I've paid $53 to have it shipped already, now the UPS guy politely asks for $40 in "COD" charges.

$53+$40=$93


so please explain to me how you come up with $20 to ship it?

exactly...if the cost of your internet (bigjohnny's) is cheaper than shipping, then give up your household internet for a couple months to have it tested/shipped/whatever, and communicate from a public library internet terminal.....internet is free there

sorry if you think i'm being harsh, but I once bought a maf for $80 from a person here that many trust, and when i proved to him that the maf he sold me wasn't the maf he said it was, what I initially got from him was "oh, well now that I know its not what I said it was, I dont need it anymore, so i'll give you $35 back and you keep it"......your disclaimer seems to run along those lines to protect yourself from losing out all that much should it be not what it is claimed to be

All I'm trying to do is protect myself from someone who is going to whine about a 20-40 amp difference. I've explained that. I think I mentioned money returned if it's less than 200a output.
Like I said, if it turned out that bad, I would simply return the money, get the alt back, and return it to Iraggi, getting back the money I initially paid for it, plus the $40+$40 I had to pay to receive it from UPS twice.

It would work out better for me financially to return the money and then return the alt to Iraggi directly, should it prove to put out absolute crap numbers. so based on that alone, you could see how I would have more financial motivation NOT to rip someone off or stick them with a crap alternator, because I would get MORE money back by returning it outright, which I can't do unless it were to produce terrible numbers. However, 20-40 amps isn't really grounds for returning it, and it goes back to $379 being a decent price for a 200a alternator.

does anyone know where a 200a 3G can be had for $379?
 

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However, 20-40 amps isn't really grounds for returning it, and it goes back to $379 being a decent price for a 200a alternator.

does anyone know where a 200a 3G can be had for $379?
well I for one would be upset at a 40A difference in output if I paid for it....but thats my opinion, just as you are entitled to yours

you asked: 200A 3G alternator $329.95


Wow!! I don't know; I think I'd be more than a little upset with someone I've probably never even met telling me what I can and can't afford!

Just my opinion...

Dennis
you are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine...I just call it how I see it.
 
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