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damm i want the rolls royce... damm chinese...:D
 

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what @ssholes
 

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Good read. Kinda amazing that they have gotten away with it.http://www.automotoportal.com/article/chinese-rip-offs-of-western-automakers
Nothing amazing about it. They've been doing it for years, this is old news. I first read about the issue years ago.

The Smart Car folks aren’t the only ones letting lawsuits fly. General Motors is claiming that their Chevrolet Spark has been copied by China’s Chery Automobile Company in the form of their QQ. And upon seeing side by side pictures of the two cars, it is difficult to say that you are even looking at two different models.

One major problem that GM might face is the fact that the Chery line of cars is owned by the Chinese Government who have been less than zealous of ridding their country of counterfeit products. GM has reported that mediation efforts between the two companies have been fruitless and that further legal action may be required.
The Chery (How you would pronounce and try to spell Chevy if you were Chinese. lol) QQ has been on the market since at least 2003, the Chevy Spark / Daewoo Matiz since 1998(?) anyway my vague recollection is that the QQ was being displayed before the Spark was even released to the Chinese market or some such? Many Chinese looked at the Spark as the copycat. lol

Chinese look-alike cars styled directly in the image of pre-existing popular cars are common place it seems. Some such as Chery with their QQ, or the Smart Car clone they're *****ing about take it to the point the parts are actually interchangable. GM claims you can bolt the QQ's doors right onto their Spark. lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo_Matiz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chery_QQ
 

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Here's the question I have: If they are not trying to sell it as a Chevy, Ford, VW, etc. how can it be considered a counterfeit?

Just because something looks like something you made, does not make it illegal to sell it. IMHO, that is like us converting a LX to look like an SC and having Ford sue us for making it look like an SC when in reality it is not. Now if we try to sell it as an SC… That is a totally different issue and is counterfeiting/fraud.

I'm sorry, but if company A can produce widget "B" that looks and functions identically as company C's widget named "D", but company A does not sell it as widget “D”, then where is the harm? That would be like Chevy telling a manufacturer of aftermarket fenders that, "Hey, that fender looks identical to our fender... :redmad: You can't sell it because it is counterfeit..." :bawling:

Heck, with this philosophy, any kit car that looks like, oh say a Shelby Cobra, would be illegal to manufacturer.

As long as the consumer knows what they are buying, no harm, no foul. All I see is the typical car manufactures saying, "Hey, don't buy their item (even thought it looks, drives, functions just like ours and is 1/3 the price) because WE are losing money". I'm sorry, but I want to be allowed to spend MY money where I please.

But that’s just my opinion (and I'll reiterate that as long as it is not being marketed as a Chevy, Ford, etc., then I see no problem.) :D

Now where can I get my $20,000 Chinese Ferraro F41. :zwall:
 

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Well here in the US you can get a design patent that protects the look and feel of your product from being copied appearance-wise. It does not protect the functionality of the item. If something about it is functionally patent-able you'll need to get a seperate patent to protect that aspect of it as well.

google "design patent" and do a bit of reading. ;)

It doesn't matter who's name is on it or what they call it. If they copy the look and feel of your design patented stuff you've got them, at least here in the US market.
 

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Well, if you put harde shocks in them, and use plastic instead of leather, the feel goes out the door :)

Now, let me know when they release a chineese frog co-bra.
 

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Southpaw said:
Well here in the US you can get a design patent that protects the look and feel of your product from being copied appearance-wise. It does not protect the functionality of the item. If something about it is functionally patent-able you'll need to get a separate patent to protect that aspect of it as well.

google "design patent" and do a bit of reading. ;)

It doesn't matter whose name is on it or what they call it. If they copy the look and feel of your design patented stuff you've got them, at least here in the US market.
I guess the "where the line is drawn" is a matter of interpretation by the court system. Do four wheels, two doors, and the same color violate the design patents? Obviously not. But there is also a difference between counterfeiting and patent infringement. If the Chinese put a hood scoop on each of their cars and change the color is it still an issue? Again, it gets to the “where is the line drawn” and the lawyers love these type issues. :zbash:

And the other question is: Did they get a patent on the “look” of their vehicles, or can they even patent the look of a vehicle?
Wiki said:
In the United States, a design patent is a patent granted on the ornamental design of a functional item. Design patents are a type of industrial design right. Ornamental designs of jewelry, furniture, beverage containers (see Fig. 1) and computer icons are examples of what can be protected with design patents.
Who came out with the first SUV? Couldn't they say, "Hey, they copied us.... its illegal". I just think it's a bunch of whiners that don't like the fact that a company can produce the exact same thing they are producing for considerably less money, which to me is the definition of a capitalistic free market economy. :D

But again, that's just me. :thumbsup:
 

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... I just think it's a bunch of whiners that don't like the fact that a company can produce the exact same thing they are producing for considerably less money, which to me is the definition of a capitalistic free market economy. :D
The Chinese trying to compete in a "free" market and our lawyers trying to stifle them. That's my irony dose for the day. :D

That design patent stuff may not be as airtight as we think... If you don't think so check with the guys at Apple Computer and ask them about graphical user interfaces and look and feel.

He who has the money (to pay lawyers and politicians) makes the rules.
 

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Southpaw said:
Well here in the US you can get a design patent that protects the look and feel of your product from being copied appearance-wise. It does not protect the functionality of the item. If something about it is functionally patent-able you'll need to get a seperate patent to protect that aspect of it as well.

google "design patent" and do a bit of reading. ;)

It doesn't matter who's name is on it or what they call it. If they copy the look and feel of your design patented stuff you've got them, at least here in the US market.
i wonder if intellectual rights patents would apply on the intl market...much like Microsoft and Windows. Since the chinks like to copy those too.....not to mention Kalishikovs, M16s, and crappy russian tanks.
 

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I actually kind of like the "CEO" better than the X5.
 
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