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Since there is no reason for someone to buy a manifold other than to replace one with a crack, why hasn't Ford figured out what makes the pi intake manifolds sell so fast? Obviously the pi's are selling mostly to npi owners for a power upgrade. So why don't they just make a pi for the npi engine?? It would just be a mold modification to match the npi heads. It could be so simple, but no, the last five years of manifold swapping hasn't sent any kind of message. Has anybody heard of a possible pi mani for the npi heads, or at least a custom adapting gasket set?
 

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Someone on Modular Depot was making the adapters. Don't think they are anymore.
Livernois has a set for sale. If you want to pay that much. http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product.phtml?p=457

Looking at that link again, that includes the PI manifold too. They may sell the adapters separate.
 

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doesnt seem very cost effective to retool a jig just to make a niche customer related part....actually a waste of money. Not everyone does this...
 

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The amount of people who upgrade their cars is a drop in the bucket compared to the entire community.

Besides, you don't any any adapters.
 

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I don't mean those adapter plates that take two gaskets each, I mean just an adapting gasket that matches up to the gas ports and water openings to both. I know all about the rtv fix on pi and npi intake gaskets too. I also know that having a 100k lasting seal is not assured with either current attachment method. And really,niche market? More would do the swap if it wasn't so iffy with the gasket seal life. A hundred percent of the npi motors running in the future will have had an intake replacement, and vertually all would get the pi manifold if Ford made a specific version for the npi engine. If it's that hard to tool, why are there non-ford brands already? Why are you protecting Ford's lack of initiative?
 

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I bought and installed the Livernois Motorsports manifold and adaptors on my '97 NPI engine. Yes, the kit is not cheap, but it is complete, the quality of the parts is good, and they go together smoothly. The big payoff was a 23 rwhp increase once the new combo was tuned (mandatory).
 

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A hundred percent of the npi motors running in the future will have had an intake replacement, and vertually all would get the pi manifold if Ford made a specific version for the npi engine.
I'm not protecting them, I'm saying the above assumption is wrong. Our community is not a valid comparision to the entire ford owning community.

Besides, the cars are getting old enough now that a blown intake could send the car to the graveyard. They are 9 or 10 years old now.
 

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they don't want to make new one to frustraste consumer that letting their car failing and having hardtime fixing it all the time until the owner break down and say "screw it, i'm trading you(the broken car) for the new mustang!!!".
 

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I see the community as Mustangs,Thunderbirds,Cougars,Crown Vics, and Grand Marquis.I think the big bodies may have npi engines thru later years than the Mustangs , but not positive. Seems like a lot of manifolds for the present and future to me! I will be installing a pi intake too, just wish that when I do there will be improved installation methods available.
 

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You haven't noticed that Ford isn't in-touch with their customers? We are just now reaching a settlement for all teh intake that cracked and were not covered under the "intake cmpaign". It took a court of law to convince them to settle and pay for the customer's expenses.

Ford doesn't care about it's customers. Once you bought their product, they accomplished their goal. That is why they are closing so many plants. I've had to pay to repair design oversights on both my '97 Bird and my '98 Explorer. I love my Bird and the Explorer despite Ford's lack of support. I am no longer a repeat customer and I don't expect Ford to do anything to help us with our intake situation. The only support we can look forward to is from the afternarket, and they have been slow delivering a solution. You have a good idea about the PI intake with NPI ports. Maybe one of the aftermarket companies such as Dorman need to hear from you. HPS (http://www.hiperformancesolutions.com/ ) is developing an adapter, but it has been in development for almost two years. Livernois has the market cornered and can charge whatever they want. Kind of like the gas companies.
 

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Ford really isn't into modifying past engine pieces for a small group of people who own the various models that would actually gain by the npi/pi swap. Its just not worth it.

Let me explain...thinking this through from their end, they've just been stung by the manifold issue on these cars. Think they're inclined to open another can of worms by providing some sort of adapter which could possibly cost them more money in the future? (Yes, I realize they stand to make a little money from the PI manifolds they'd be selling)

The proponent of these modification is looking at the issue from the point of view of one person (or a group of affected individuals), maybe even emotionally as they would like to have this improvement on their vehicle. (Nothing wrong with that!)
Ford would have to look at it economically and under that scenario, its not much of an argument to determine its not really feasible.

Now, for another question...what exactly does the "Tuning" on the Livernois kit entail? Is it difficult?

Ralf
 

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So let me get this right...so if I order the PI heads, PI intake, and a high performance intake pflenum & throttle body...I wont be able to close my factory hood???
 

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Might be mistaken but if you got that information from the Livernois site, they are referring to the Mustang hood not the tbird.
 

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So let me get this right...so if I order the PI heads, PI intake, and a high performance intake pflenum & throttle body...I wont be able to close my factory hood???

You will be able to close your hood, especially a '96. I have every component you listed fitting under a '95 hood which doesn't have as much clearance.
 

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doesnt seem very cost effective to retool a jig just to make a niche customer related part....actually a waste of money. Not everyone does this...
...especially for a 2V head that they don't even make anymore. It's all 3V for Ford, from here on out. :(
 
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