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Tonight I was driving around right after a monsoon. I came up on a flood and was going to go around it on other streets, but saw a Sunfire go through it, turn left, and keep goin. After seeing that me and my girlfriend decided that it would be alright to go through it. I made 90% through, and the car died, I quickly tried to restart it with no luck. Pushed it to a safe spot raised the hood and most of the engine was dry. I took off the filter cover and the filter was wet, but the top of the box was pretty much dry, with some bubbles. I let the car dry for a few and started it. All I could here was KNOCKING. I had to get it away from where it was so I drove it about 1/8 mile to a parking lot. It is still sitting there now. What should I do. I am gonna change the oil, oil/air filter, plug, and plug wires. Will this help, or is the engine done.


If the engine is done I will not be able to afford to fix it (college student, you know how it goes) and will sell the car so that I can buy a car that will make it to school.
 

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Have you checked the oil yet? to see if there is water in it. I'd go ahead and change the Air/Oil filters and the oil and see if that helps any. If the knocking persists then it might be damaged now. Change the oil and see if that helps any.
 

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Been there, done that, with my 94 LX. Water injestion is a *****. Bent a rod and cracked a piston skirt. It still ran fairly good but was a goner. Insurance paid for a reman.
 

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When you take the plugs out turn it over a couple times to eject any water that may be in the cylinder.
 

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I did that to the first DOHC engine I put in. The rod bent, twisted and broke and then wacked the piston skirt and busted it in a couple spots and left an impression of the rod in the oil pick up tube and trashed the stuff on the bottom of the pan. The intake manifold was full of water still when we pulled it off. You'll want to pull the plugs and turn it over without the plugs to shoot any water out of the cylinders that may be in there. Stand back when you turn it over, it literally shoots the water out. You're intake will probably still have some water in it though? Not sure if the SOHC intake would hold water like the DOHC one will. If you have full covereage and the engine is dead, insurance should pay for a new one.
 

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Nope, I don't have full coverage, just comprehensive insurance. I have done three of the plugs so far. Have to go to work, thought I would check and see suggestions on what to do. I really think that I bent a rod. What is the best way to go about fixing/replacing the rod(s). I was told that it could be done through the bottom by removing the oil pan. I still might sell the car, I have always wanted a Turbo Coupe (5speed of course). I would hate to get rid of it though that is why I would like to fix the engine that is in it now.


4 cam bird: what is the "formula" for the DOHC swap. I know where I can get Mark VIII parts cheap if not free. If I replace the whole engine it will not be another SOHC.


ps. I change the water, I mean oil. There was a lot of water in it. The knocking did seem to get a little quieter. I drove it the 3 miles home and it seemed to have all the power that it did before the flood incodent.
 

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man that really sucks, i went through some water last night too but i made it through, where did you go through it at, i went through on bittle road, i was on griffith but it was too flooded so i took a dif rout and saw a pt cruizer go through so i did too and it was fine
 

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....ps. I change the water, I mean oil. There was a lot of water in it. The knocking did seem to get a little quieter. I drove it the 3 miles home and it seemed to have all the power that it did before the flood incodent.
yeah, if you had water in your oil, you probably blew the head gasket(s). the knocking is most likely bent rods and/or bent valves in the head(s). the exact same thing happened to me a while back, and i just recently got my car back in running condition. the violin box on my intake was FULL of water after it happened.

i bent several valves in the passenger side head and bent 3 rods. my head gaskets never blew, there was no water in my oil, but it was basically undriveable.

that sucks that it happened, hope you get it fixed soon.
 

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I think I have decided that it is a bent rod(s). I did it on Parrish Ave. by OCHS (only us from O'boro know what I am talking about). I really have not set any plans on what I am gonna do. I need to decide quikly though my insurance is due on Monday. How much should I try to sell it for, my brother has an Accord (5 speed) that he will sell me for $1000, do you think the bird is still worth that if not more. It ran perfectly and has a great body on it, paint is good for its age and mileage (148K). Just had new tires put on it last Tuesday, they now have 150 miles on them.
 

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If you are really interested in a 4V swap, od a search, you will find more information than you want. Skim through it and you will find out what you need. Although if you do it, Teeps' method for wiring is probably better than mine, although I don't really know what there is to it since that isn't the way I did it.

You said something about being done with a few of the spark plugs? Just pull them all out at once and crank the key for a couple seconds, the started will turn the engine over and get any water out.

Water in the pan in this case I am sure you figured out yourself is not blown headgaskets. Although the water still could do some damage to the bearings which could be the source of your knock. If you pull the plugs and no water shoots out of the holes, then there isn't any in the cylinders and you probably didn't hurt a rod. The piston trying to compress the water is what does the damage there. Oddly enough, on mine only one cylinder contained water (Cylinder #1, front passenger side). That is the only rod that sustained any damage, the other 7 were fine.
 

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Check with your insurance company because comprehensive may cover it. A flood is an act of nature/God. I have a buddy that was 4 wheeling, drove through the South Platte river, sucked up water and hydrolocked. His insurance paid for a new engine.
 

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I still have not gotton around to the other plugs. I did not realize that you could do them all at once. The first three did not shoot any water out, these were the back 3 on the passenger side. I will go out and do all them here in a few. I am planning a compression check tomorrow evening (if I can, have to work and am going to the drive in tomorrow night) How hard is it to change the bearings??? Should I wait on the tune up I was planning, kind of sounds like a waste of money right now to me.


The $1000 that I mentioned would have been the money that I recieved from my car.

I am still considering a TC.
 

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hey man if your gonna sell your car if it comes to it i might be interested in it, i have to talk to my dad about borowing a lil money from him, but i think you should get a different engine, there are a few at liberty pull apart with less milage, i think maybe a 96, but yea i do sorta agree with some of the guys here, it could be a little thing that wouldnt be too hard to fix
 

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how do the water get in the oil? i understand that how water get into the intake but oil???
where?
 

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please correct me if i'm wrong (i'll be the first to admit, i am not an expert on engines), but if i am correct, the only way the water can get into the oil is if it:

1) blows the head gasket,
2) creates enough compression to push past the (3) rings attached to the pistons, or
3) is poured into the oil filler (a VERY stupid thing to do unless you intend to f**k up someone's ride :leftright )
 

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If you decide to sell the car, call me. I am looking for another bird. Do you have any pics? Send me an email with the info like color and options.
My number is 317-514-8529 and ml is [email protected].
I am looking at a 97 in Illinois this weekend. I need one pretty quick

Thanks
Darrin
 

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What three thunderbirds, one cougar, one mustang, and one F-150 is not enough? I will be more than willing to take one off of your hands without a charge. :D

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Well, see...
I have a lot of very expensive parts that I have been buying over the last few years and I am looking for a car that needs an engine to make a good home for them.
 

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I guess now thinking about it, it might be possible for the attempted compression of water to push the head gasket out or lift the head and blow the gasket. I dunno if that would happen or not, but I suppose its possible. But since you drove it home you'd definitely notice all the white smoke from a blown headgasket. Did you check the coolant?

To check the bearings you would have to pull the pan and take off the main bearing caps and rod caps. Look for copper coloring on the bearings or severe scratches. If you don't see either, they should be ok, the normal color would be silver. With the pan off and a flashlight you could easily look in and see if any rods were bent too.

The compression check would definitely be a good starting point once you get the water blown out.
 
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