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Which is faster in terms of accel. And top end speed?
 

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If your talking about stock....

Well if the cars are stock....Acceleration wise, the sc nad the v8 have excellent accel...thogh i think the V8 may have a quicker accel than the SC (not exactly sure

When it comes to top end speed, I'd say the 3.8 sc and the 3.8L n/a have a better top end speed than the V8....the SC is supercharged so obviously you can see why it's got a good top speed

The 3.8 N/A is no joke when it comes to top speed....This car just wants to pull you and go faster once you pass 60mph...try taking this car to 90mph and you'll see what I mean.....I've taken my 3.8 N/A to 110mph (maybe even 115mph) with no problem, and the car wanted to go faster you can just feel it. I did this with no mods to the engine at all, and I did not evn have to remove a speed limiter. I can Take most cars after I hit 60mph, but on accel most cars have quicker accel.

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SC is quicker.
SC is faster.
mod for mod, the SC will be even faster. Until the 5.0 gets supercharged.
 

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GreenBird said:
SC is quicker.
SC is faster.
mod for mod, the SC will be even faster. Until the 5.0 gets supercharged.
i dunno about mod for mod, but i think the point is still valid.

a base 5.0 starts out much slower than the SC, but the progress curve for the 5.0 is gonna be linear while the curve for the SC is gonna be exponential. you might easily get the SC to turn 13's, but then your gonna fall flat on your face. the 5.0 has much more potential.
 

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J-Rob made the best point, initially the SC will be quicker, but you can buy 10 HP parts for the 5.0 what it would cost to by one HP part for the SC. So getting the 5.0 up to par wouldn't be hard, and of course, the 3.8 will just run out of power unless you've got 30k to dump into the 3.8.
 

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30k?

You are kidding me right? Coy miller sells a 430-450 hp 480-500+tq 3.8sc engine that is 7,495 and another 350-380hp 425-427+tq engine for 5,375 . They also have the record for a street (mind you daily driven) MN12 with a 1/4 of 11.68 @117.For 30K you could build a pretty damn fast and nearly new (not to mention great handling)SC. And really, My buddy has a 5.0 cougar and he can't even keep a 1 car distance with my 95 SC, He's also governed at 110. I've reached speeds of 139 mph. Also look at the 5.0s tq. Yeah, its right at 240 ,wheres the SC? 330 ft.lbs. HP? 5.0=230 and the SC= 230.I think more of a match for the SC is a 93-94 5.0 mustang. I think you can read all about it in the sccoa website.
 

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Moneymaker said:
You are kidding me right? Coy miller sells a 430-450 hp 480-500+tq 3.8sc engine that is 7,495 and another 350-380hp 425-427+tq engine for 5,375 . They also have the record for a street (mind you daily driven) MN12 with a 1/4 of 11.68 @117.For 30K you could build a pretty damn fast and nearly new (not to mention great handling)SC. And really, My buddy has a 5.0 cougar and he can't even keep a 1 car distance with my 95 SC, He's also governed at 110. I've reached speeds of 139 mph. Also look at the 5.0s tq. Yeah, its right at 240 ,wheres the SC? 330 ft.lbs. HP? 5.0=230 and the SC= 230.I think more of a match for the SC is a 93-94 5.0 mustang. I think you can read all about it in the sccoa website.
first get your numbers right, then come back and troll some more.

$8k for a 500 hp package for a 3.8 SC? i know for a fact you can build a 500 hp 5.0 for much less than that. i wont say that alot of people have done it in a 5.0 tbird, but thats probably because theyd rather put the money into a fox body. nothing against coy, i know he puts together great packages, but how many times has he had the engine apart to get his SC down into the 11's?

and the "my friend has" story is moot. we all have friends whos cars are slower, the simple fact that hes governed at 110 shows that he probably hasnt put much effort into making it go fast.
 

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Re: Re: 30k?

J-Rob said:
you might easily get the SC to turn 13's, but then your gonna fall flat on your face. the 5.0 has much more potential.
Very true. The SC gets you more hp per buck at first, but at around 400hp the SC becomes very expensive to further mod. Plus: "No replacement for displacement"

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$8k for a 500 hp package for a 3.8 SC? i know for a fact you can build a 500 hp 5.0 for much less than that.
Well, you can build the $8000 Coy Miller motor for less than $3000.
 

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Are we talking about a 5.0 in a MN12 or in a stang? I'm confused...lol. :confused:
 

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In the words of a friend of mine

Fear the factory S/C car

Pulley Swap ? S/C swap ?

also dont forget, mods to a forced in duction car will give more of a gain than on the same car n/a...

This is why the 03 cobras are pushing 500 horse with few boltons....
 

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BeirutsFinest said:

The 3.8 N/A is no joke when it comes to top speed....This car just wants to pull you and go faster once you pass 60mph...try taking this car to 90mph and you'll see what I mean.....I've taken my 3.8 N/A to 110mph (maybe even 115mph) with no problem, and the car wanted to go faster you can just feel it. I did this with no mods to the engine at all, and I did not evn have to remove a speed limiter.
You know, i was thinking about what you said and it really brought back the memories of driving my '92 v6. I totally agree with what you're saying about how it seems to "want to go faster". Just seemed that when I was cruising on Rte-80 at like 75-80 it was happy as can be, and had no trouble going faster.

One time going on 76 West going down this hill i had the speedo spun wayyy past the end at 85. I estimate by how far around the speedo went that I had to be near 110 (if the distance the dial travels past the last marked point is still a valid reference).
 

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Moneymaker said:
You are kidding me right? Coy miller sells a 430-450 hp 480-500+tq 3.8sc engine that is 7,495 and another 350-380hp 425-427+tq engine for 5,375 . They also have the record for a street (mind you daily driven) MN12 with a 1/4 of 11.68 @117.For 30K you could build a pretty damn fast and nearly new (not to mention great handling)SC. And really, My buddy has a 5.0 cougar and he can't even keep a 1 car distance with my 95 SC, He's also governed at 110. I've reached speeds of 139 mph. Also look at the 5.0s tq. Yeah, its right at 240 ,wheres the SC? 330 ft.lbs. HP? 5.0=230 and the SC= 230.I think more of a match for the SC is a 93-94 5.0 mustang. I think you can read all about it in the sccoa website.
Remember you always spend twice what you think you're going to spend, and that's not far from the truth either. Yes 30k may have a little high, but if I were going to tell someone to take my SC and make it an 11 second car I would give them less than 20k, cause to be honest it's going to take around that, to build up everything else to handle it correctly too.

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Re: 30k?

Moneymaker said:
You are kidding me right? Coy miller sells a 430-450 hp 480-500+tq 3.8sc engine that is 7,495 and another 350-380hp 425-427+tq engine for 5,375 . They also have the record for a street (mind you daily driven) MN12 with a 1/4 of 11.68 @117.For 30K you could build a pretty damn fast and nearly new (not to mention great handling)SC. And really, My buddy has a 5.0 cougar and he can't even keep a 1 car distance with my 95 SC, He's also governed at 110. I've reached speeds of 139 mph. Also look at the 5.0s tq. Yeah, its right at 240 ,wheres the SC? 330 ft.lbs. HP? 5.0=230 and the SC= 230.I think more of a match for the SC is a 93-94 5.0 mustang. I think you can read all about it in the sccoa website.
How Can Iget in touch with this Coy Miller person? I'd like to know what he does w/ his 3.8
 

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The sc is faster , better looking , and better handling stock vs stock.I have owned both and I would say the sc wins hands down.:D
 

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The sc is faster , better looking , and better handling stock vs stock.I have owned both and I would say the sc wins hands down.:D
Now come on, who keeps them stock? :)
 

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Very true. The SC gets you more hp per buck at first, but at around 400hp the SC becomes very expensive to further mod. Plus: "No replacement for displacement"



Well, you can build the $8000 Coy Miller motor for less than $3000.
Is that buying the parts and installing them your self???
 
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