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I have a quick question for you guys that have the Gen II Mark VIII's and have done the J-Mod and/or 3.73's and left out the lower spring.

If you left out the spring, when it barks the 1 - 2 shift at WOT, does it trigger the traction control?

I'm finally getting around to do the J-Mod and I’m debating on whether to keep the spring or not.

edited: I had it backwards as to which spring to leave out. Per Darrin: You want to take out the lower spring and keep the top spring
 

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Yes it does trigger the traction control, but the shift feel is so nice, and the look on someones face when your lincoln gets sideways at 50+mph is just priceless. I just turn the traction control off as soon as I get in the car all the time.
 

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That is what I figured. I like leaving the traction control on (just personal preference).

I really don’t like the soft shifts with the spring installed, but I also don’t want to be hitting the traction control if I do an impromptu WOT run. :(

I wish there was an "in the middle" spring.... :D
 

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Well I can tell you that with 3.27s it turns on the traction control light, but on dry pavement it doesn't really affect acceleration at all. Its not like it all of a sudden locks your back brakes up or anything. 3.73s wouldn't help that matter though. I have gotten quite quick at turning off traction control though, to the point where I can reach over and turn it off in less time than it takes to wind out first gear, so if you do floor it, you can reach over and turn TC off before it shifts into 2nd.
 

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Well I can tell you that with 3.27s it turns on the traction control light, but on dry pavement it doesn't really affect acceleration at all. It’s not like it all of a sudden locks your back brakes up or anything. 3.73s wouldn't help that matter though. I have gotten quite quick at turning off traction control though, to the point where I can reach over and turn it off in less time than it takes to wind out first gear, so if you do floor it, you can reach over and turn TC off before it shifts into 2nd.
What I don't like is the 10 - 15 degrees of ignition timing it removes as long as the "spinning wheel" light is lit (I love that icon! For some reason it just cracks me up!!).

I know at the drag strip it costs about 2 seconds when compared with the traction control disabled! With it on, it barked them off the line when I floored it, the light came on and it ran right at 17 seconds… :zpuke:

It’s the first option under the “vehicle options”, right? If so, I may just do like you said and practice turning it off before it hits second. :D
 

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Yes, its the first option so its just a matter of hitting "vehicle settings" then "reset", so in the 5 or so seconds it takes to wind out first gear, you should be able to reach over and hit the 2 buttons fast enough to turn it off before its an issue.
 

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What I don't like is the 10 - 15 degrees of ignition timing it removes as long as the "spinning wheel" light is lit (I love that icon! For some reason it just cracks me up!!).
Then I bet you really hate the 12-20 degree's of "tip in retard" that is in the factory programming.

it pulls timing any time you "tip into the gas", be it from a "dead stop" or when you are cruising down the road at 50MPH.

Ford Factory TIP IN RETARD..FTL!!!

looking at the first gen mark 8 it's got 20 degrees of Tip in retard
and the second gens have 12 degrees of retard

retarded..aint it?
 

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it pulls timing any time you "tip into the gas", be it from a "dead stop" or when you are cruising down the road at 50MPH.

retarded..aint it?
So is this if you ease into it vs stomp it?

Both my cars act differently in those two situations... :D
 

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So is this if you ease into it vs stomp it?

Both my cars act differently in those two situations... :D
"tip in" is "tip in" regardless of the "rate of tip in"...
 

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what does "tip in" mean? is that too much fuel vs air??
 

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"Tip in" is when the throttle opens after being completely closed.
Is it only after the throttle has been closed or is it also if the throttle hasn't moved very much for a certain time? For example you've been cruising at 1/4 throttle for a while and then you add another 1/2 throttle (3/4 throttle total) to accelerate. Isn't that also considered tip in?

Just asking. I always thought tip in was anytime there was a large change in the TPS signal. (I'm talking theory here, not specific to our EEC's tuning)
 

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example you've been cruising at 1/4 throttle for a while and then you add another 1/2 throttle (3/4 throttle total) to accelerate. Isn't that also considered tip in?

Just asking. I always thought tip in was anytime there was a large change in the TPS signal. (I'm talking theory here, not specific to our EEC's tuning
That is correct, Tip in is tip in... from a dead stop or a roll, a sudden change in throttle angle is "tip in".. and the retarded timing occurs.

I can watch it do it in the datalog, it sucks.

Tip in also comes into play during the shifts, that is how they "soften up the shifts"....just killing the tip in retard firmed and quickened the shifts by a fairly large margin... and it made the throttle response MUCH better as well.
No more "spongy non responsive" gas pedal!!!
 

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"Tip in" is when the throttle opens after being completely closed.
datalog the car and post the file...

get up to 40MPH and punch the gas pedal and watch your spark value PLUMMET.
"tip in retard"...you've got PRP, have you removed the tip in retard?
 
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