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well im trying to go high end so i was possibly thinking i want to go all jl

1.) 2 pair JL AUDIO ZR570-csi 5x7 components http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_components.php?comp_id=64
2.) 1 JL AUDIO 300/4 CLASS A/B 4 CHANNEL AMPLIFIER http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=254
3.) pair of JL AUDIO 12W7 subwoofers http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=9
4.) pair of JL AUDIO 1000/1 class-d mono block amps http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=221


now the things that i am not sure of is what deck i should get i want a 7" touch lcd dvd nav system it needs ipod controls

i will have about a 6k budget and with all that stuff im at about half that

other things i will get is a 50 farad cap a 200 amp alt. and 0 gauge wire
 

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fast86rx-7 said:
well im trying to go high end so i was possibly thinking i want to go all jl

1.) 2 pair JL AUDIO ZR570-csi 5x7 components http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_components.php?comp_id=64
2.) 1 JL AUDIO 300/4 CLASS A/B 4 CHANNEL AMPLIFIER http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=254
3.) pair of JL AUDIO 12W7 subwoofers http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=9
4.) pair of JL AUDIO 1000/1 class-d mono block amps http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=221


now the things that i am not sure of is what deck i should get i want a 7" touch lcd dvd nav system it needs ipod controls

i will have about a 6k budget and with all that stuff im at about half that

other things i will get is a 50 farad cap a 200 amp alt. and 0 gauge wire
The ZR series components are excellent, but why two sets. Do you have alot of people that sit in the back seat of your car?

Save some money and just buy one set, put them in the front, run them active off the built in crossover in the slash 4 channel amp and then get the 10w7s in the rear. Run the 1000/1 on both them. That way you still have some trunk space. Unless you haul kids back there all the time, you are actually wasting money with having rear speakers.

I hate to keep using my car as an example, but I have no speakers in the rear. Never have...except when I had the stock system in the car. I just have a 3way component set running active up front, and a single sub firing through the rear package tray in back. It is nearly the same setup as the original install in my 95 lincoln, except in that setup, we ran passive crossovers.

Your decision to run JL will give you years of enjoyment. JL stands behind their product and the upper line of components (zr's) are right on par with the Q series from Quart, and the K2 line from Focal.

Also, just get the Z comps that are the 6.5" rounds rather than the 6x8's. A round cone will always give you a better response than an oval one. Just an option.

if you want to check out my old install, you can view it here:

OnYrMrk's 95 Mark VIII


I just noticed that you have about a 6K budget, I did that install with a 6K budget.

Save your money on the rear speakers, and put it into a quality install. A well thought out install will make your speakers sing!
 

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i have three kids and its either them or my friends in the back seat so rears are a must

im not looking to do a really wild looking install i want a stock looking interior but to sound damn good im not looking for an sq compitition car or an spl car i just love my music loud and cyrstal clear
 

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Alpines new decks have "iPod full speed" control, so they just need a 30$ cable that plugs into the back of the deck and into the iPod.

I have a Kicker 5 channel amp - the KX700.5 to a set of Memphis 6.5 Studio Coaxials in the front, a set of (cringe) Audiobahn 5x7 plates in the back(40$ for the pair, why not), and a single Memphis M Class 4ohm DVC 12inch in the rear. Im quite happy with my system, the 7 year old headunit will be replaced in a few weeks with an Alpine CDA-9857.


Yes, do get a pair of 6.5s, they do sound "better" IMO. Get some sheets of plexiglass and make a mount on the existing speaker mounts in the doors. Also, a touch screen is nice, but to me, its just one more thing to deal with, Alpine makes a few really nice single DIN decks.
 

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Well just fyi.. that is the same exact system i have..to a T. even have the alpine with full ipod controll...sound great in the JL sealed box that they tell you how to build on their website.Great choice of equip and you will not regret it!!
 

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I was happy with my JVC touch-screen. A lot more than I was with my Clarion full-color touch-screen. Planning on getting another JVC, a KD-AR870. No DVD, but some nice features. If I need to play a DVD, I'll just take my laptop along and plug it into the aux input, and I'll have a bigger screen.

But I wouldn't buy JL when you can do better. I'd go with Resonant Engineering or Adire Audio.

http://reaudio.com/
http://adireaudio.com/

Good place for Adire and some others:
http://www.acoustic-visions.com/~acoustic/products/subwoofer_drivers/index.shtml
 

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well due to me having alot of time on my hands i did alot of seaching to see what i wanted and i finally figured it out

full navigation from kenwood
ktv-817dvd reciever $1349.99
ktc-v500n tv tuner box $225.99
kna-g510 navigation box $490.99

for the speakers
center-------------
Alpine SBS-05DC @149.99
front and rear---
Rainbow CS 265 Profi Phase Vanadium 6.5" Components (2 sets) $819.00/per set
subs---------------
Rainbow 12" Amboss (2) $269.00/each
amps--------------
Rainbow-Kraftwerk 2000W Class D Mono Amplifier $559.00
Rainbow-Kraftwerk KW2270 900W 2-Channel Amplifier (2) $429.00

grand total without wiring----$5659.97

after i do the alternator, 0-guage wiring, rca cables, and speaker cables i should be about $6500

so im not to far over budget and i am extreamly happy whith what i will get

any comments on this setup?
 

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Excellent Equipment!!!! Rainbow is superior to many of the brands out right now. I would put them in my top 5 for clarity! This will sound excellent! The Rainbow subs sound excellent as well, there was a car at the USAC World Finals that had them dialed in quite well. I have not heard the Rainbow amps...but for 560 for a Mono Class D amp that will do 2kw...that is nearly unheard of with the quality that Rainbow is well known for. You don't want a 2 channel amp if you are going with two sets of components. I can't understand how you would power them. I would suggest, going with two four channel amps so that each speaker in your components will have a dedicated channel for them to run. The onboard crossovers are fine for that. Otherwise, you should be able to just use one 4ch amp to power both sets of comps with the included passive crossovers.
 

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sheesh after talking to many competing sq people im haveing a new problem i dont know if i want to go with the rainbows or go with morel it will cost the same either way the only difference would be that i would run (3) 9" subs

also if i were to run 3 way components where would i put the mids?

other companies i am looking at are
1. rainbow
2. morel
3. focal
4. cdt
5. helix
6. dynaudio
7. mb quart
8. diamond
9. reaudio
 

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I agree with some of the others, you can do a lot better than the JL. Especially using a 6.5" component set up front instead of 5x7s.
Also, add ARC Audio to the list. Both in speakers and amps...
(I believe ARC and Rainbow are made by the same company, just different divisions)

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fast86rx-7 said:
sheesh after talking to many competing sq people im haveing a new problem i dont know if i want to go with the rainbows or go with morel it will cost the same either way the only difference would be that i would run (3) 9" subs

also if i were to run 3 way components where would i put the mids?

other companies i am looking at are
1. rainbow
2. morel
3. focal
4. cdt
5. helix
6. dynaudio
7. mb quart
8. diamond
9. reaudio
Morel is excellent equipment as well. You could look into the Elate 3way set and put the mid/tweet fiberglassed in the a-pillar (like what I am doing with my Focal Be3/Tweet) and run the midbass deep in the kickpanels, about where your footrest is. That is the longest pathlength to your stage. Should sound amazing.

Rainbow is excellent, Arc Audio surely makes excellent equipment, but don't count out Focal.

I have the Focal 3w2Be midrange and it is amazing..coupled with my TN52 tweeter, and the sound is outstanding. I am using the K3P Midbass (165KBe) to complete the 3way front stage. Look into the Focal amp line too. Or STEG amps also, you can control them via your laptop to get the optimum tuning capability.

With your money allowance, your possibilities are endless. Good luck in your search.
 

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...but don't count out Focal.
True. I've not had the chance to actually listen to a set of the Focals, but have heard nothing bad about them.

Mrk- I too a look at your setup (page). VERY nice. It's nice to see others going for SQ, instead of SPL. :D
I'm trying to figure out how to add a 10" or 12" sub that's not de-coupled from the cabin. Right now I have two 8" in a sealed box bolted to the underside of the rear deck. The 8's punch hard, but I'd like a bit extra extension on the bottom end. Might try a different set of 8s....

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how are the morel 9" supremo subs? will they have the bass of a 10 ?
i want to run 3 of them

im also thinking about using nakimachi for all my electronics as in amps and deckthere is just something i like about the thd at .001% on there pre-amp side and also there amps

but just the dvd deck im torn between eclipse and nakimachi
 

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Morel Subs are excellent. They are more of a SQ sub, as in tight, hard hitting bass, but not overly deep. Will they have the bass of a ten, possibly depending on the enclosure. Nakamichi makes outstanding headunits, but that is all I would spend my hard earned money on. As for DVD, Eclipse is excellent, as is Alpine or Pioneer Premier. All very capable. I haven't seen the Nakamichi, but since it is still technically a headunit, I am sure it is also very stout.
 

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http://www.nakamichi.com/home.html

i knowticed that their dvd player has only 2volt pre-outputs

now the eclipse unit i want is just so damn pricey and i would atleast want the dsp add on box becase the unit only has 2v pre-outputs also and the add-on box has 5v pre-outputs

unfourtunatley that brings the price to well over 2k

also what would be a great 12"sq sub?
 

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I use the 33v2 Focal Polyglass 13"...it is an extremely versatile subwoofer in that it can run in both a sealed box and a ported box. Also it is capable of getting pretty loud while maintaining a stout level of musicality. Any sub from Focal is good. Also look into the Image Dynamics subwoofers. Check out RE, JL's 13w6v2 is very good as well. I have purchased but not yet installed the Focal 40Kx 16" subwoofer and I have heard it get very loud (>138db) and still win the SQ World Finals. But buyer beware, that thing is freakin insanely expensive. If I wasn't sponsored, I wouldn't have bought it...($1800).

If you can hold off...Morel has a 12" subwoofer that they debuted at CES that should be able to hold about 1500w and hit huge numbers for SPL, while still maintaining the SQ that Morel is famous for.

Also there is an underground company called Better Audio who is designing a subwoofer that will perform like the JL W7, in loudness, but with the finesse of the JL W6v2...should be amazing. You can chek that out at www.betteraudio.com

Hope this helps.
 

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I would like to compete in the near future but i dont know what classes there is and what i can get away with in sq class

and some advise on setups
 

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If you are competing in SQ, here is something I am sure you don't want to hear. You might want to lose the rear fill. Front stage only in SQ competition is the current setup style. More like sitting in a jazz club. You sit in front of a stage, but there aren't any instruments behind you...that sort of thing. In California, USACi is pretty popular and a good source of competition for Sound Quality, it is the sanction that I compete in. Also if you are more into total SQ, you could look into IASCA, they are also in California in limited quantities. Just check with your local shops and see if they have any shows starting soon.

as for classes, in USACi, you would be smart to start out in Basic SQ Consumer, where install isn't as important as total soundstage, image, and tonal accuracy. It is designed to introduce a beginner to the sport/hobby and show them competition without having to go up against the big boys....yet.
 
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