Porting, Polishing, 3 way Valve Job ???????

well...

Pi heads for everything you replace will be about $1500 in a 96-97. To get a good P&P your talking about the same price. And when you got the heads off you will want to replace things like timing chains and all that other good stuff. Im not sure but they say to get a better TB for PI heads cuz they flow better so plan on doing that. Better MAF too. You will still need all the gaskets and stuff. The PI's with intake and valve cover will be cheap if you get some used ones. I picked up valve covers for $25. You can get a 99-02 intake everyday for under $100. So either way might cost you about the same. But there are the advantages of staying with the P&P stock heads. like not raising the compression ratio so you can go juiced or blown later on.

Now that I told you more then you needed to know I will stop.

Good Luck.

Thought you all might be interested to know....

I called Fox Lake Power Products and talked to
one of the P&P boys in the back...
the boss was out setting up a Dyno test, and
this guy told me they offer Stage I head work
that costs $599.00 labor only, no parts.

They have a Stage II level of mods that cost
$900.00, labor only, no parts. I don't remember
the EXACT figures, but the Stage II's out flow the
Stage ones by ABOUT 10%. Please, that figure is
approximate, not exact.

The guy I talked to didn't know much about cam
differences or the advantages of PI vs non-PI heads.

I posted this for one reason and one reason only....
for those of you wanting to build a strong "street"
motor - getting a decent set of heads may not be
quite as atmospherically expensive as you might have
thought - as long as you stay away from things like
titanium exotics, etc.

If you want to get the REAL scoop call Ron at Fox Lake...
he's SUPPOSED be back in the office on Friday.

And finally....maybe those that have had work done by
Fox Lake already, would be willing to share some of their
parts and cost decisions, etc with the rest of the
board........


I hope this might be helpful to someone,

Don't know much

I dont know much about them....just found them when i was looking along the internet...

If i had the money, i would consider getting some PI or already P&P PI heads...but i figured i'd just post it and let people figure out if it'd help them or not..

http://www.powerheads.com/

sorry if i'm not making any sense....i probably should go die for 8-9 hrs so i can wake up tomorrow...

*yawn*

Re: lol

AnthraxBird said:

I do like head jobs... for our cars. (what, did you think i was gonna say something else?) I just want my stock parts to actually be able to make atleast 300hp (at the crank) Gotta be a way of doing it for under 400 bucks. Or I could go steal some PI's =P (grabs wire cutters, and tool-box) lol heh heh heh

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Heh, can see the the news headlines now...
"Ford Mustang: The Headless Horses"

"There is an epedimic of unusual thefts occurring across the country. Owners of 1999 and newer Ford Mustangs have been reporting their cars being broken into, and only the engine cylinder heads and intake manifolds being stolen. No visible damage to the rest of the car, and some even had cash in them, some had cash in them that wasn't there before. Owners of some 5.4L Ford trucks and Expeditions have been having scattered reports of people breaking in and opening the hood, sometimes stealing just the heads and leaving the intakes behind. But then come the stranger occurences.

There have been a few of instances when new Mustang owners have come out to their car, expecting a high performance drive, but finding their cars to be rather sluggish. So out of general maintainence, they open the hoods of their cars to find the heads not only stolen, but swapped out completely. The heads and intakes that replaced the stolen mustang heads/intake combination have been traced through Ford records as being factory installed on many 94-97 Thunderbirds. Conincidence? Perhaps, but we'll let the shady people at www.tccoa.com explain this strange phenomena..."

SUV's over populate the roads

AverageJoe said:

Heh, did she go to the hospital? I'm glad to hear she's ok and I've decided what I hate most about SUVs. People think they're the "One vehicle does all". Like that Chevy Avalanche. Whats people's obsessions with convertibility? They want something that can do everything a truck can, without it being a truck. Like the Avalanche, those ugly Explorer Sport Tracs, and so on. They demand a luxory vehicle that "can" do what a truck can, but the suspension they demand can't hold up to it. Let alone they risk getting anything onthe interior, so real hauling is out. I hate SUVs, they're popular because popular society is lazy and stupid. But thats just my opinion.

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I will have to say, yes, popular society is lazy and stupid. SUV's are clogging up city/highway roads. Everywhere I turn, it's me in my Tbird vs. the Denali/Yukon/explorer/durango/etc. next to me. It's a pain....especially since everyone and their mother has a cell phone and just HAVE to use it while they're driving. I have a cell phone, but use a hands free device when I need to call or receive a call from someone.

Here's the one that REALLY pisses me off...

Who can afford SUV's? For the most part, it's the upper echilon (sorry if i mispelled it) of society. Those that can afford really expensive stuff must flaunt it off. Personally, if i had mad cash, i would be purchasing a cobra R/Z06/SLP Fbody/Twin turbo supra....or if i was filthy rich, a ferarri 360 Modena. But since most people cant afford the good stuff (ferarri) or have real taste (fbody, Mustang, corvette), they settle for what is 'in' - the SUV. Now, dont get me wrong. There are SOME people that DO need an SUV. If you have a litter of children, or are a soccer mom/dad...an SUV would be useful. Or if you were some kind of rancher or something like that and needed a large vehicle (like a Suburban), then you would actually USE the vehicle for what it was built. but for the most part, people who buy SUV's buy one because they CAN and because it's IN. How many times have you looked at the SUV next to you and seen only ONE person inside? Honestly? Does ONE person REALLY need to use such a huge vehicle to go and get some coffee from Starbucks? Do they really need to get 10 miles to the gallon to go to Burger King to pick up dinner for the wife/husband and kids?

Speaking of crap gas mileage... this one takes the cake. Who complains about high gas prices...EVERYONE. Who complains about the earth being ruined by car exhaust and by using fossil fuels: Hippies and tree huggers....greenpeace....the Sierra Club ...some scientists (but they're exempt in this rant). Excluding some of the smaller, grass roots organizations to save the earth (which we all should in some way anyway), the people that ***** the most are the Sierra club (sorry, i'm in the south west, i hear a lot about them). However, there are a LOT of RICH PEOPLE that are in the Sierra Club. and what do they all drive? YOU GUESSED IT, AN SUV.

I guess their message is: It's great for me, but bad for everyone else.

As for the Sport Utility Truck craze...I dont understand it. Doesnt having an SUT (Avalanche, Escalade EXT) or an Explorer Sport-Trac (which has a bed equivalent of a small ranger truck, maybe smaller, yet costs more than a decently optioned F150) just make things MORE difficult? I mean, you cant fit anything large in the back of an Explorer S-T. The whole SUV to Truck conversion just asks for trouble....more moving/removable parts = more chances for something to break or get a leak.

Alright...i guess i'm done ranting and raving. Hopefully i havent offended anyone. maybe i gave you guys/girls a laugh.

I'll stick with my MN-12. Sure, i cant fold down my back window and seats to fit a chair or a large plank of wood, but it's comfortable, gets HELLA BETTER gas mileage, and looks infinitely better.

Shadow Dragon: I hope your wife is doing alright. I woulda gone balistic. Shoulda got some info, called the cops. Can you sue for injury?

I appologize about how long this was...

Take care everyone!