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Hi:
I'm installing a PS fluid cooler in my 1995 Ford Thunderbird LX that I'm preparing for the 24 hours of Lemons.

From my research here, I understand that Type-F ATF or "Ford PS Fluid" is the recommended fluid for this specific year of Thunderbird.

The gameplan is also to replace the PS fluid with Redline Synthetic Fluid since it offers a higher boiling point temp, less evaporation at high temps, and is fully compatible with Type-F fluid; even if I develop a seep as the synthetic fluid gets past the seals, it should be a drops vs. a complete drainout. That's the belief, anyway.
http://paceperformance.com/i-5154476-red30404-red-line-power-steering-fluid-quart.html



Q: Without the PS cooler, how much PS fluid is required for a standard Power steering fluid flush?

Q: How much extra fluid do you think would be needed to fill the lines + a standard PS cooler?

This is the one I'm planning to install:
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product__19230069-P_N3200D_A|GRP2070____

Thanks in advance for your replies.
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There is [what I believe is] a very small stock cooler on the 94/95s on the lower passenger side of the radiator, whereas on the 97s a cooler not unlike the one you have linked to is stock in front of the condenser. I've been able to do reasonably convincing flushes in the past using roughly 2 quarts; a full fill up is maybe a quart (again, this is with the stock cooler on my 97, pretty much the same as your linked part).
 

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From the Technical Articles - Miscellaneous Section:

Technical Articles - Power Steering Flush said:
The first quart or so I drained looked like Chocolate syrup coming out of the power steering pump....NASTY!!!! It took about 3 quarts of El-Cheapo power steering fluid then 1 quart of Valvoline synthetic and Walla, no more whining and moaning when I turn the wheel. Judging from the color and condition of the old fluid, I'd say if you have high miles and its never been changed. You cant go wrong by doing This. Its cheap, and very easy. It was a little time consuming, but worth it in the long run.

If you are by yourself as I was, you can disconnect the rubber hose that is clamped onto the metal line right below your oil filter and drain from there. Then just push the hose back on without the clamp and fill the pump, start the car and turn the wheel a few times and turn off and drain from that hose again. Repeat that until your fluid comes out as clear as you'd like it to be. Also, you don't necessarily have to put the cap back on the PS-pump every time, that can be a hassle, It will not spray out. DON'T start the car without fluid in the pump though. Also keep in mind that if you start the car with that line of, it will "SPRAY" PS fluid out very quickly and messy. The front of the car should actually be raised because you have to get to the line.

Hi:
I'm installing a PS fluid cooler in my 1995 Ford Thunderbird LX that I'm preparing for the 24 hours of Lemons.

From my research here, I understand that Type-F ATF or "Ford PS Fluid" is the recommended fluid for this specific year of Thunderbird.

The gameplan is also to replace the PS fluid with Redline Synthetic Fluid since it offers a higher boiling point temp, less evaporation at high temps, and is fully compatible with Type-F fluid; even if I develop a seep as the synthetic fluid gets past the seals, it should be a drops vs. a complete drainout. That's the belief, anyway.
http://paceperformance.com/i-5154476-red30404-red-line-power-steering-fluid-quart.html

Q: Without the PS cooler, how much PS fluid is required for a standard Power steering fluid flush?

A: As stated above; 2 to 3 quarts to flush and 1 Quart (May be a little less) of premium PS fluid.

Q: How much extra fluid do you think would be needed to fill the lines + a standard PS cooler?

A: 1 quart (May be a little more)

This is the one I'm planning to install:
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product__19230069-P_N3200D_A|GRP2070____

Thanks in advance for your replies.
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Thanks guys, I originally looked in the tech arcticles but I must have missed the MISC section.
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You're welcome. Good luck with your upgrade and the race.
 

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Interesting, I think the cause of my moaning and groaning may actually be the PS fluid and not the lower ball joint. The sound goes away once the car warms up and I've been having a slight problem with the fluid these last couple of years. The thing about that though is that when my engine was replaced the shop had replaced a high pressure hose that ended up being defective and had leaked all of my fluid onto the street. They replaced the hose again after I had gone through 2 or 3 bottles.

So, now I'm not 100% sure if I need to flush the fluid.:confused: How often should it be flushed? I think I topped it off a couple of times with cheap PS fluid so does that mean I should just go ahead and flush it?

I'll probably do it anyway on Monday but any opinions would be helpful.:)
 

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Has it ever been done?

I flushed mine at about 100K.

Yea, the moan you hear could very well be the PS pump.
 

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Well, the steering is much improved but the sound still exits. The fluid was like chocolate syrup when I began. I used about 6 quarts to flush it and now there's no more foam. I bought Valvoline but it didn't say whether or not if it was synthetic. I think it took me about 2 hours and about a dozen refills to finally get it to come out clear. The fluid in the pan still looked black at the end so I took a picture of it.
 

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Well, the steering is much improved but the sound still exits. The fluid was like chocolate syrup when I began. I used about 6 quarts to flush it and now there's no more foam. I bought Valvoline but it didn't say whether or not if it was synthetic. I think it took me about 2 hours and about a dozen refills to finally get it to come out clear. The fluid in the pan still looked black at the end so I took a picture of it.
Wow. Well, at least you've got that done. It sounds like you did a real good job getting it cleaned out. I bet that did make a huge difference in the steering.

Yea the Valvoline fluid I have came in a tan 1 qt container labled "Vavoline SYN POWER". I just checked their website and apparently its been discontinued. I'm not sure when this happend.

Valvoline said:
4. Has SynPower Power Steering Fluid been discontinued? If so, what is your recommended replacement?

SynPower Power Steering Fluid has been discontinued. We recommend Valvoline Performance Chemicals Power Steering Fluid as a replacement. Please note that this product is not synthetic.

http://www.valvoline.com/faqs/system-fluids/synpower-chemicals/

Without seeing your car I can't venture a guess as to what the sound you're hearing is.
 

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Now that the steering is much more quiet I can tell that the only time the sound happens is when the front end rises. For instance whenever I accelerate from a stop or get out of the car. Here soon I'll have replaced everything besides the shocks and springs so if the noise is still around then I think I can bet what it is.:rolleyes:

The biggest improvement in the steering is that now I no longer have a pull to the right whenever I brake.:D
 

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whats wrong with good 'ole power steering fluid, i think im using prestone +stop leak right now when i flushed it last. i've never used anything but actual power steering fluid before and never really had a problem.
 

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There's nothing wrong with power steering fluid, but that's not what came from the factory. Mercon V will last longer and keep the components lasting longer.
Ya know, I had asked about that a long time ago but I never got an answer on whether if that's true for only '96+. Otherwise I would have used Mercon V. Oh, well.:rolleyes:
 

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PS fluid, Type F or Merc V for 95?

I'm getting ready to flush my power steering system and have read through a ton of posts but find conflicting opinions. My question is, what fluid to use after the flush in a 95? I was leaning towards Merc V but several people say it will make my system leak and some say it won't. It has 88,000 miles and no leaks. So i figure I'll ask the question in a new thread, which fluid for a 95??

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Mercon V will be fine.
 
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