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Well at least 1980-82 Thunderbirds and Cougars are Fox chassis, so they are remotely related to cars that our club covers. It doesnt really matter though because they suck... :tongue: :D
 

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If Ford kept making those cars they'd have killed off the names within three years, the styling would've worked on the previous platform but downsizing made Ford lazy. The 83 is the true start of the generation regardless of chassis because they were such a radical departure from not only the previous styling but from the entire industry at the time.

Personally I group the cars into different generations by the theme rather than underpinnings, with a Tbird I'd go...

55-57 as the sporty personal car era
58-66 as the sporty personal luxury era
67-83 as the personal luxury era
83-97 as the sporty coupe era
02-05 as the delusional geriatric in a pathetic attempt to relive their youth era
 

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If Ford kept making those cars they'd have killed off the names within three years, the styling would've worked on the previous platform but downsizing made Ford lazy. The 83 is the true start of the generation regardless of chassis because they were such a radical departure from not only the previous styling but from the entire industry at the time.

Personally I group the cars into different generations by the theme rather than underpinnings, with a Tbird I'd go...

55-57 as the sporty personal car era
58-66 as the sporty personal luxury era
67-83 as the personal luxury era
83-97 as the sporty coupe era
02-05 as the delusional geriatric in a pathetic attempt to relive their youth era
Good point. Personally I think 1981/1982 is the lowest point ever for Ford, terrible engines, terrible cars, downsizing, complete lack of performance, terrible quality...

Everything was uphill from there with the 1983 Thunderbird and LTD, 1984 Mark VII and Tempo, 1986 Taurus. Everything kind of culminated with the MN12 project, at least in my mind. Ford was interested in churning out good cars, not cheap money making cars, but good cars that could compete with the world. The MN12 project was the pinnacle of that spirit. Tony Kuchta didnt want to built a car that was "good enough," he wanted to build Thunderbird into a respected world grand touring car, something he arguably accomplished. However when Red Poling got in there and fired everyone, it was the first move in a direction that led to the abandonment of the entire car division. A decision that left promising designs like MN12 and Probe on the vine for way too long, without the updates they deserved. A decision that led to the Taurus sticking around until 1995, with the mediocre redesign basically lasting until 2007. A decision the kept the Escort and ZX2 around until 2003, and the Fox Chassis underpinning the Mustang until 2004.

Ford in the 1980s actually showed that they were capable of producing "better ideas." Cars that were so radically different from, and better than their predecessors that they gave buyers a reason to "drive a ford, lately." Cars that won the Motor Trend Car of the Year award 4 times between 1986 and 1990. Its just too bad they got distracted.
 

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They are getting back to it these days raptor. Seems like they are actually building what (most) people want rather than shoving a car down people's throats.
 

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They are getting back to it these days raptor. Seems like they are actually building what (most) people want rather than shoving a car down people's throats.
Agreed. They are making me proud to be a Ford enthusiast again. :)

I'm also glad I'm a shareholder. ;)
 

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Wholeheartedly agree. I even go so far to say the 80's were the greatest all around era for Ford in terms of innovation and quality starting with the Tbird and Coug. The downsizing really lit a fire under their asses to make good cars rather than glitzy cars and if you think about it, the SUV decline today is a good parallel to that.
 

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Wholeheartedly agree. I even go so far to say the 80's were the greatest all around era for Ford in terms of innovation and quality starting with the Tbird and Coug. The downsizing really lit a fire under their asses to make good cars rather than glitzy cars and if you think about it, the SUV decline today is a good parallel to that.
Yeah, I think their lowest point was when they put fake headlights over the headlight covers over the actual headlights... :tongue:

All they need today is something decent and RWD. The DEW98 chassis was really promising, its too bad they gave it up. The Lincoln LS and 2002 Thunderbird were surprisingly good handling cars. :)

That or they can bring the Falcon over from Australia with the 4L DOHC Twin Turbo I-6. :D
 

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Yeah, I think their lowest point was when they put fake headlights over the headlight covers over the actual headlights... :tongue:

All they need today is something decent and RWD. The DEW98 chassis was really promising, its too bad they gave it up. The Lincoln LS and 2002 Thunderbird were surprisingly good handling cars. :)

That or they can bring the Falcon over from Australia with the 4L DOHC Twin Turbo I-6. :D
The Jag XF is still on the DEW98, I guess ford let them keep it after selling the company.

They unfortunately discontinued the I6 in Australia:bawling: That motor wiped the floor with the 5.4 4V, but I guess that did not matter.
 

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That actually popped into my head when I was writing it, lol. :tongue: :D

Its a damned shame if its true...

According to this, they decided against discontinuing them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Straight-6_engine#Ford_of_Australia_inline_six

Well if they do I guess I still have that engine's distant uncle in the form of the 300 in my F-150. :tongue:
 

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I'm pretty sure that if you honk the horn it shuts cruise off also.

I knowthe EVTM shows the cruise control circuit being connected to the brake switch and horn in such a way that it looks like honking turns it off.

My guess is if your honking someone's in your way and you should be slowing down lol.

EDIT.

I tested this out. Honking the horn doesn't stop cruise on my 97. Also holding down the two buttons to honk the horn doesn't work on my 97 either.

I was looking at a 96 EVTM though so maybe they both work on 96's but not 97's. Wouldn't surprise me, they cheaper out big on the 97.
 

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The cruise control actually uses the horn wiring. It's a little complicated. But sometimes the voltages from the cruise buttons can stack up in such a way as to make the horn honk. And I guess it can go the other way - the horn can cancel the cruise under certain conditions.

The later models may not work the same way, because they use a "clockspring" instead of slip rings. That's because slip rings don't make a reliable enough connection for the airbag, so they spent extra money to install the clockspring. So I don't know if the later models have the same wire-sharing arrangement that the 89-93 cars do.
 

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...There is(was) another!

But this time it's an XR7!
Where did you find these?

This car isn't the rustbucket the sccoa one is...

We need to find out what control arms those are. :)
 

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A little history..

DEARBORN, Mich. -- The early retirement of the man who headed the team that created the new Ford Thunderbird has focused attention on some pressing product development problems inside Ford Motor Co.

Tony Kuchta, 58, left the company May 31. And last week, after 32 years at Ford, he was toasted at a sell-out retirement party.
I found this while looking for something else. Its a published article from 1989 regarding the development of our cars. It goes into a little more detail about the type of development structure..

The car was concieved in traditional product development channels. The planning started in 1984. But in March 1986, shortly after the launch of the Taurus/Sable, Ford adopted the system, called car programs management, across its product-development network
I would never run a project like this. I am not an engineer, but I have done enough I.T. projects to know this isn't a good idea.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting.

Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20120515/OEM02/120519913#ixzz29z4p61Fv
 

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hmmm. wow.

Reading that ^^ was new and exciting. One cannot help but think fords target of BMW 6 series is reminiscent of the new Boss and coyote mustang gt and how their performance target again wasnt across town in the Chevy Camaro, but in the BMW M3 from Germany.

Umm hey did anybody ever figure out the "Stereo" vent/fake button on the dash yet? is there a weird or funny story behind the design of that? or is it kinda like the trunk brace - just another design quirk/oddity? :confused:
 

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Ummm... the "stereo button" isn't a button... Is a plaque to let you know there is a stereo there.. On cars so equipped it reads "premium" to indicate the car is equipped with the Premium sound System.
 
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