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I am seriously considering buying a boat in the near future. Something in the range of 15-20 foot ski boat. I figure my bird, with a 4.6, a j-modded 4R70W, and a 30,000GVWR trans cooler, along with 13" rotors up front and cobra calipers, stopping and going should be no problem. One thing, it is rather hilly around here. The max distance I would be towing anything would be probably 30 or so miles, through twisty turning rolling hills.

What type of trailer hitch receiver would I need? What about the SC rear bumper? It does hang lower than a standard LX bumper, would it be possible to make some sort of spacers to lower the hitch receiver just enough to clear the bottom of the SC bumper? maybe I should direct this part of the question to the folks at SCCoA

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Bring it by, and we can custom make you a strong mount and hitch...make it so you can remove the reciever, and the hitch will be hidden.
 

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Ok your engine, trans and brakes should handle this, but your suspension wont
 

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im with road runner on this one, i got kyb shox with eibach 2in drop on my bird and when i have 4 full size adults in it my exhaust tips scrape on everything lol, my rear bumper is maybe 4 inches frm the ground.
 

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I don't know how I would feel about backing my Bird down a boat launch into a lake or river.
I don't think the water would hurt anything, but I think that you may run into problems trying to pull the boat and trailer back out, more so if the ramp is at all slimy. Especially if you had no trac-lok.
 

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Don't put a tow hitch on that beautiful bird! Pick up a cheap beater ranger or F150 to tow with.
 

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I have pulled my 20 ft v8 IO with double axle trailer with my bird. Cooling may be an issue for you, mine got hot (210 coolant, 195 trans) in the 95+ summer days going 10 miles mostly level, I usually run the AC. I have the Cobra radiator and 45K max tru cool cooler. I also have 3.73 track lock gears and subframe connectors. I used a class 2 hitch and no worky with a SC bumper cover.

I have 1" drop springs with air lift bags. The double axle trailer actually helps keep the weight off the hitch. I never had any problem with the tires hitting.

It can be done carefully, don't go fast and leave plenty of room for stopping. Actually going up the very steep ramp was not an issue and it was usually wet. I just was easy on the gas, gave it what it needed to get going and kept the power to it all the way up to the top.

Most everybody else there had pickups or SUVs to pull up their bass boats. I got some looks while I was down there winching the boat up, but some nods when they heard it roar to life and pulled it right up.
 

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Any drunk can drive his car down a ramp with a boat attached.

That isn't even much of a boat or a ramp.
 

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OK, 95badbird, if you are serious, I am interested. Rayo, I dig the hell out of that pic, awesome photoshop, looks real :D

Now, for everybody saying my suspension can't handle it...why not? Keep in mind the car is NOT low anymore, it has stock SC/sport JJJJ springs on it now, it no longer has drag radials, just a set of General Exclaim UHP's all the way around. It does need new shocks at least in the rear, the koni adjustables up front need to be rebuilt, when the car was slammed....well, that just hammered the suspension...

So, Koni adjuistables with stock SC springs all the way around, koni's set to STIFF all the way around, and maybe air lift bags in the rear springs for good measure, at that point my only issue might be cooling? I figure based on what dusty said, having a larger radiator than I currently have, and a larger trans cooler and he still ran hot.

I could get a truck to get the job done if that's what it takes, but it was a thought, and I was curious...feel free to fire away with more opinion and/or fact, I'm learning things :D
 

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Well here is a hitch with an sc bumper. Don't know how much more a boat would weigh than a car and this trailer but this seems to be working out.
Pulling it out of the lake is another question.

Hope this helps.

 

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Well here is a hitch with an sc bumper. Don't know how much more a boat would weigh than a car and this trailer but this seems to be working out.
Pulling it out of the lake is another question.

Hope this helps.

I remember that pic! That goes back some years! Looks like they have the hitch coming through the opening on the SC bumper, see how it is pushing down on it? that's no good. However, that SC weighs close to 4000 pounds, the trailer is probably right around 1000 ?? Unless whoever owned that setup did not actually tow and it was just a neat photo of the car towing "itself" :D
 

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If you stay within limits of your hitch which for a class 2 is 3500 lbs and use common sense there should not be any problem. You might even be able to fit the receiver though on of the old stype SC bumper covers, I was thinking the 94=95 which has no slot at the bottom.



I tow many times a year with my Tbird. It kills me when people buy an old beater truck, pay insurance, and put a tag on it to haul every now and then. I would not want an old beater truck in my driveway.

I have moved my daughters multiple of times, pulled a 4x8 Uhaul 750 miles moving from Florida to Alabama. Hauled a couple of tons landscaping rocks, fill dirt etc.

These 5x8 open trailers work great, and I don't care when a ton of rock or dirt is dropped from the scoop of a front end loader into it.



I pull a 2000 lb pop-up hundreds of miles at a time with no problems at all.

Pulling the 20 ft 3500 lb boat/motor/trailer is pushing the limits.



As I said before pulling up a steep long ramp has never been a problem. And I am not talking about a little ramp like in the picture above.
 

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Are you joking me? Any mn12 suspension cant handle that weight. That is abusing your car. These are cars and can not handle that weight. Can you do it yes should you no. This reminds of the idiots at home depot strapping 15 sheets of drywall to an escort. If you gave 2 $h*ts about your car you wouldnt use it as a truck
 

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I don't see how the suspension comes into play. You are not putting it on its back. So you are talking 200 lbs of tounge weight is going to hurt the suspension? My buddy hauled a pallet of sod in his Tundra and it scared him so bad he had the rest delivered, with all the weight on the back it had almost no steering. I have towed a pallet of sod with a 5x8 open and no big deal.

My general rule of thumb is the towed weight should not be more than the vehicle weight. Don't exceed the hitch capacity. I care plenty about my car and I will still have it long after you moved on to something else. I monitor the temps closely and use common sense. I also have all the JL steel pieces on the chassis.

When I see someone with a Ranger towing something big I wonder, but they have a truck.

Braking and cooling is the biggest issue towing extra weight. I have been towing Uhauls, pop-ups, and boats for more than 30 yrs with cars never hurting anything.

Now I am not going to tow a car on a car hauler. Like I said 3500 lbs is pushing it, 2000 lbs is a piece of cake.

We are also talking 3-4 times in a year.

And rest assured, I will not tie 15 sheets of drywall on the roof, but I would tow 15 sheets on a trailer.:)

Are you joking me? Any mn12 suspension cant handle that weight. That is abusing your car. These are cars and can not handle that weight. Can you do it yes should you no. This reminds of the idiots at home depot strapping 15 sheets of drywall to an escort. If you gave 2 $h*ts about your car you wouldnt use it as a truck
 

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You are abosolutly right. All the car makers are idiots for making TRUCKS that are 1/2, 3/4 and 1ton. How stupid are they for spending all that money on developing tow packages that change the SUSPENSION. Suspension has alot to do with the weight a vehicle is pulling. Not my car, do what you like but your setting yourself up for failure
 

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3500 pounds isn't a lot of weight and as Dusty has said, if you keep the tongue weight in mind, you won't be exceeding at least that part of Ford's own towing recommendations.

That said, I don't think I'd do it to my car.
 

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I've seen a 2000'ish Buick Century towing a DRW F350 Crew Cab on a tow dolly.... (I kid you not!!!) :beek:

He was going up a long hill and there was smoke boiling out from under the car… :leftright

As much as I drive I’ve seen some of the scariest tow setups ever!!

So can you tow a 20' boat with your MN12.... yes.

Should you tow a 20' boat with your MN12.... I wouldn't (at least not any distance)

But like Dusty says 2K lbs should be a piece of cake.

Dusty: The suspension comes into play mainly during turning and stopping. Think of how the center of gravity and how inertia comes into play. The rear suspension was never designed to have that much weight shifting left and right. Granted, there may only be 200 lbs of downward force on the tongue, but how much lateral force is on the tongue if the trailer starts to sway? There’s a whole lot more going on with a hitch than just static weights. Inertia can be a biatch. :thumbsup:
 

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You guys all made REALLY good points on all sides of this discussion...this was very informative, thinks a bunch. The point of inertia and lateral forces and their effects on the suspension have made me decide to keep the bird, and get a more suitable boat hauling vehicle :thumbsup:
 
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