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Alan you know it is not my project.



If JW could not handle the tune, how could you? Prove me wrong put a 5.4L DOHC in your car!



DirtyDog thought the same and lost before I added 40 hp. Sorry but my $150/ yr insurance prohibits me from racing.
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That isn't exactly true I thought I would get you in the hole and I did, just not as much as I expected and you passed me quickly. On the other hand mine was a bone stock 95 motor with around 175,000 miles on it at the time.
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That isn't exactly true I thought I would get you in the hole and I did, just not as much as I expected and you passed me quickly. On the other hand mine was a bone stock 95 motor with around 175,000 miles on it at the time.
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Out of respect, I really did not want to mention it but you forced my hand. Sorry guy but you have the dubious distinction to have the only 4.6L MN12 that lost to a 5.4L MN12.

You admitted to mild head work, one of your TQ's, transmission and tuning. All I had was a stock 5.4L, 1994/95 4.6L lop sided stock intake that everyone knows flows like poop, mild head work, one of your TQ's, tuning done by me and a transmission that Darrin and you rebuilt. We were matched evenly in mods. I would not be surprised if our HP was close...

Guys this is what really happened:
I had 350Lb Jake beside me and Alan a/k/a DirtyDog had feather light Darren :confused: in his passengers seat. We were at a light just after having a nice lunch at the local Cincinnati Chile establishment. Were I had two conies! We were on a long straight road and we both stopped at a light.

DirtyDog took off first and had the head start. I counted one one thousand two... and floored it. Jake was pressed into the back seat and I immediately passed Alan with all my low end torque. Then all I could see was the Dog fading away in my rear view mirror.

Yes indeed-ie that was the only race my 1999 5.4L install ever had against a 4.6L T-Bird. I guess that is why Allen is still mad at me today... Sorry guy but if I knew it was going to make you so upset I would have let off of the gas... :eek:

Lets not fight anymore. Lets make peace not war!!!! Life is too Short. I missed the sleep over hug sessions we used to have... Come to Carlisle and I will buy you a beer and let you beat my Escort?
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oh hades i'm curious , finish it so we can see if it can be done or not !!!!!!! i contemplated building a temp shadetree lift way up over the top of my garage roof , then letting a 5.4 fall 20 or so feet into an empty bird engine bay , and it'd be done !!!!!!!!!! just like unk and the varmints !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cmon now lets see it ...............:)
 

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And so this thread ends like all the rest, Miller spouting Sh*t with no actual project completed.

I'm adding this thread to the list of all the other Miller inspired threads. Too bad they're so heavily edited now.

Too bad you didn't stop posting instead of Goldbird and Dr. Frankencougie... (sigh)

Now those are actual cars...

Anyone got a pic of the infamous 'modded' manifold, to close this out?
 

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Starts as an easy question and then BANG...off center and people can't help but get involved when they have nothing to add.

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a 5.4 dohc fits as seen in the pics. Cant this car rip. it wouldnt even take that much cash for a simple swap. If you look around im sure a good running used 5.4dohc could be picked up for less than 1k. then build some custom manifolds or headers and no frame cutting would be needed.
 

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I can swap it trust me. But is it worth it? Nah not really. Better power can be uptained another way. And good job. You beat a stock 95 4.6L. Hate to break this to you. But so can most other cars and a lot of them are 4 cyls. But hey...... Congrats to you.
 

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a 5.4 dohc fits as seen in the pics. Cant this car rip. it wouldnt even take that much cash for a simple swap. If you look around im sure a good running used 5.4dohc could be picked up for less than 1k. then build some custom manifolds or headers and no frame cutting would be needed.
That would be really cool on your 4 turbo car, you should do it.
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That would cover a few energy drinks to get things going. So who really does have the balls to do the swap? Its 100% possible but I doubt anyone will ever jump. Also those junkyard turbos work great I stole two of em from my dead project for my diesel.
 

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The really funny thing is where the thread got hijacked to a discussion about a couple of what, 14 second cars racing each other.


The real truth is that as far as these cars go NA, it's an NPI headed stock bore 2 valve built on a pretty small budget that is miles out in front of everyone else and has been for years. That's getting it done, not dreaming about it on a forum.
 

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i wish i had time to build a 5.4 in my car but i have to much on my plate with a running 03 cobra motor in it. if i ever get rid of the 03 motor i would go NA 5.4.
 

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yup it takes some serious capital to really get one going that is worth the effort...just look at the 2000 Cobra R engine.....one bad mother of an engine, yet the new 5.0L 4V in the 2011 mustang GT makes more power.....granted, there's not too many similarities between them, but cubic inch-for-cubic inch, a big bore modular with ported 4V heads would make more sense than trying to shoehorn a DOHC 5.4 even if its just for the fact that a performance intake manifold is nearly unobtainable

I see where you're coming from, but that really isn't a valid point. The 2011 makes more power for one simple reason...progression of technology over a 10 year time period. The 2000 R engine made more power than any Mustang engine from 1990. It's the same reason you're seeing smaller engines making the power that V8's could only make at one time.
 

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I see where you're coming from, but that really isn't a valid point. The 2011 makes more power for one simple reason...progression of technology over a 10 year time period. The 2000 R engine made more power than any Mustang engine from 1990. It's the same reason you're seeing smaller engines making the power that V8's could only make at one time.
from a sheer power output perspective, it absolutely makes my point a valid one....exactly what progression of technology? just because it has variable cam timing? if you lock the timing of the camshafts to the upper RPM range (for sheer high-RPM power output), then there isnt much more to the newer engine---it has tremendous volumetric efficiency (> 100%)....that can't be done with a dedicated intake/exhaust manifold and custom camshafts on an older modular engine?? sure it can!......just takes time, money, and knowledge....the 2011 runs nearly 11:1 compression....that can't be done on an older mod motor? sure it can!...the 2011 runs oil squirters aimed at the bottom of the pistons for cooling......yes that helps, but the Cobra R didnt have them, it it made tons of power without them, and there are other things like coated piston tops and alcohol injection kits that can curb intake charge temperature upon the compression cycle.....the 2011 motor has a bigger bore, helping unshroud the intake valves....cant be done on a mod motor?....sure it can!...its called a big-bore "4.6", aka 5.0L mod motor

my point being that the overall design of an engine takes precidence....a well planned out (and dedicated) big-bore "4.6" 4V can make more power than the mighty Cobra R DOHC 5.4, without the hassles of installing the taller-decked 5.4 into the cramped up MN12 engine bay
 

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What you say makes sense...but why didn't they do it on the R? Your last line also stands true. Of course a well thought out 4.6 can make more power than the 5.4R...but do the same mods to that 5.4, and see the power it makes. Look at the 03/4 Cobra and compare it to the GT500...the main noticeable difference...displacement. Any smaller engine can be impressive if planned right. I have a buddy with an S2000, with only a thicker HG, turbo setup, fuel system, and rear diff...he's putting 578 to wheels. Or look at a 5.0, it came stock in an MN12, and it's much smaller physically than a 4.6, with a much larger aftermarket. No doubt you can make power with that.
 
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